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NochNoch said:
Isn't Manning the one who has been had to pay on a couple of occasions for violating that clause?
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Don't know. Those details that came out well before the confidentiality agreement was in place, therefore she wouldn't have broken any agreement with this info.

I haven't found anything about him paying. The closest I found was an article where she was upset over him using the term "mooning incident" in his book.
 
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volatil said:
Don't know. Those details that came out well before the confidentiality agreement was in place, therefore she wouldn't have broken any agreement with this info.

I haven't found anything about him paying. The closest I found was an article where she was upset over him using the term "mooning incident" in his book.
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Good point, couldn't remember the exact details of how it shook out but I'm pretty sure she filed a defamation lawsuit over the book.
 
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SpringBokVol said:
One of the main reasons behind why Peyton didn't win the Heisman just surfaced again and this time probably won't go away as quietly as before.
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I think it continues to go away. The victim in the story has apparently not violated her confidentiality agreement, and no one with money has anything to gain by sullying Manning's name.

That said, that entire incident has, at least for me, tarnished my view of Manning. Its not just the incident itself, which I think shows serious lack of character and immaturity. It is the way the Manning camp handled it after the fact, going after that woman in a biography years after settling the case.

If you lose a case that shows you sexually assaulted some woman, don't go out years later and bring it back up. Shut your mouth, pay the money, and move on. That Manning couldn't is shameful.
 
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Nobody is gonna talk about this for more than a day or two at most. Peyton's name was thrown in to do exactly what that article is doing. Generate publicity in order to apply pressure. Same thing for Lil Jon.

Those two were named in the suit just so their names could be headline grabbers.
 
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The comments in this thread are disgusting, and the lengths to which many of you will go to in order to defend Peyton Manning are equally shameful.

1. Your opinion on Shaun King is irrelevant, given that he's literally quoting legal documents verbatim. This isn't an unfounded hit piece.

2. These are not "he said, she said" accusations. These are the testimonies of dozens of witnesses against stories that only Peyton and his father have corroborated.

3. It doesn't matter how long ago this occurred, given that the issue has been criminally under-discussed.

Come on. Why is this sub's initial reaction to dismiss allegations instead of considering that maybe the face of the NFL isn't a saint?

In response to the "we've all made mistakes" comments - it's hard to forgive Peyton for this when he's made no attempt to apologize, and has actually done quite the opposite in ruining Naughright's career

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From reddit. The guy has a point. Just because he's a Vol does NOT make him a saint.
 
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BigZiti09 said:
I think Butch Jones has an ideal progression he would like to see for each player. He tries not to stick players out there before they are ready. I think that's why DK was playing behind jumper at the beginning of the year.

I don't buy for a second that Jumper outplayed DK. Jones let him sit the bench until he thought he was ready even though that meant not putting your best 11 on the field.
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This is exactly correct. You want to make sure you put young players in a position to have success. You don't want to destroy confidence too early.
 
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engineerVOL said:
I totally agree, it's ridiculous the University is responsible for investigating something potentially criminal.
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Does Title 9 require them to investigate it? If so, it would be the law that makes them do it so would it not be a problem to not do it? Sounds like you can't win either way if that is true.
 
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Catbone said:
The comments in this thread are disgusting, and the lengths to which many of you will go to in order to defend Peyton Manning are equally shameful.

1. Your opinion on Shaun King is irrelevant, given that he's literally quoting legal documents verbatim. This isn't an unfounded hit piece.

2. These are not "he said, she said" accusations. These are the testimonies of dozens of witnesses against stories that only Peyton and his father have corroborated.

3. It doesn't matter how long ago this occurred, given that the issue has been criminally under-discussed.

Come on. Why is this sub's initial reaction to dismiss allegations instead of considering that maybe the face of the NFL isn't a saint?

In response to the "we've all made mistakes" comments - it's hard to forgive Peyton for this when he's made no attempt to apologize, and has actually done quite the opposite in ruining Naughright's career

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From reddit. The guy has a point. Just because he's a Vol does NOT make him a saint.
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We will mark down your vote on Peyton as 'Undecided'
 
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So the lawsuit is telling UT they are wrong for following the law? Wow.............. Should fight that and if you lose it then should mean Title 9 goes bye bye. That won't happen.
 
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BigZiti09 said:
I think Butch Jones has an ideal progression he would like to see for each player. He tries not to stick players out there before they are ready. I think that's why DK was playing behind jumper at the beginning of the year.

I don't buy for a second that Jumper outplayed DK. Jones let him sit the bench until he thought he was ready even though that meant not putting your best 11 on the field.
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This is more or less in line with my thoughts. It's not that Jumper was killing it. I'm not arguing for him. I can just see where coaches are hesitant to start true freshmen right up front. They weren't completely comfortable with Kirkland at that point apparently.

Like someone mentioned, it makes Sutton starting that much more remarkable.
 
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I keep CB on ignore for good reason but since I see he's deciding to go from wet blanket to safe spacer and criticize my post...

1. It does matter that Sean King is a hack. This is click bait journalism. Neither Peyton or Lil Jon have anything to do with this suit other than acting as a tool for lawyers to drum up interest.

2 and 3) It does matter that it was 20 years ago. It's no longer relevant to the discussion. I'm not defending Peyton. I just don't worry about a stupid locker room incident from 20 years ago any longer. I've made mistakes and so have you. 20 years is enough time to not have to sling crap at the guy anymore. In other words, NOBODY CARES.

Finally, nobody had a gun to the head of that trainer making her settle out of court. I would hope and guess that she has moved on.
 
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BigZiti09 said:
I keep CB on ignore for good reason but since I see he's deciding to go from wet blanket to safe spacer and criticize my post...

1. It does matter that Sean King is a hack. This is click bait journalism. Neither Peyton or Lil Jon have anything to do with this suit other than acting as a tool for lawyers to drum up interest.

2 and 3) It does matter that it was 20 years ago. It's no longer relevant to the discussion. I'm not defending Peyton. I just don't worry about a stupid locker room incident from 20 years ago any longer. I've made mistakes and so have you. 20 years is enough time to not have to sling crap at the guy anymore. In other words, NOBODY CARES.

Finally, nobody had a gun to the head of that trainer making her settle out of court. I would hope and guess that she has moved on.
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Where did I quote you? It wasn't directed to you or any individual LOL. Keep it going ziti
 
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Cat,

Do you classify yourself as negavol or antivol?

I ask because a negavol always expects something bad to happen.

Antivol is someone that pounces (pun intended) and draws attention to anything bad that might happen or is happening.

I rarely see you expand on positive discussion but always carry on about all things detrimental.
 
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I am not defending Peyton here- he did something stupid but it was years ago. It is being rehashed in part because this Shaun King was upset that his precious Cam Newton was being vilified in the press so he dug up some things on Peyton and perfect timing with our lawsuit. I just can't understand why Peyton and his dad would knowingly violate that confidentiality agreement knowing she would sue probably- she already did once- for a book. Now, maybe there are some questions with this incident and her behavior should be questioned. She has used other people right? I am just hoping no other major news outlets pick this up. We don't need more bad publicity and I don't want Peyton's name to be ruined for some stupid decision he made when he was what 19? Good grief.
 
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JacketVol said:
So the lawsuit is telling UT they are wrong for following the law? Wow.............. Should fight that and if you lose it then should mean Title 9 goes bye bye. That won't happen.
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This is correct, but I think the launching point for this is some sort of cultural environment supposedly and the fact athletes can have top of the line defense attorneys.

It's basically a small kangaroo court where legal ramifications aRe birthed and it can make either the law or the university look negligent if the two sides are inconsistent in their "verdict."
 
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Catbone said:
The comments in this thread are disgusting, and the lengths to which many of you will go to in order to defend Peyton Manning are equally shameful.

1. Your opinion on Shaun King is irrelevant, given that he's literally quoting legal documents verbatim. This isn't an unfounded hit piece.

2. These are not "he said, she said" accusations. These are the testimonies of dozens of witnesses against stories that only Peyton and his father have corroborated.

3. It doesn't matter how long ago this occurred, given that the issue has been criminally under-discussed.

Come on. Why is this sub's initial reaction to dismiss allegations instead of considering that maybe the face of the NFL isn't a saint?

In response to the "we've all made mistakes" comments - it's hard to forgive Peyton for this when he's made no attempt to apologize, and has actually done quite the opposite in ruining Naughright's career

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From reddit. The guy has a point. Just because he's a Vol does NOT make him a saint.
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SpringBokVol said:
One of the main reasons behind why Peyton didn't win the Heisman just surfaced again and this time probably won't go away as quietly as before.

http://m.nydailynews.com/news/natio...eaky-clean-image-built-lies-article-1.2530395

"On Feb. 29 of that year, Naughright, at that point the university's director of health and wellness, was in a training room, examining what she thought might be a possible stress fracture in Manning's foot. At 6 feet, 5 inches, his feet dangled off the edge of the table. Manning allegedly then proceeded to scoot down the training table while Naughright examined his foot. At that point, she said, he forcefully maneuvered his naked testicles and rectum directly on her face with his penis on top of her head. Shocked, disgusted, and offended, Naughright pushed Manning away, removing her head out from under him (see pages 14-15). Within hours, she reported the incident to the Sexual Assault Crisis Center in Knoxville (see page 18)."
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I have a really good friend whose father has worked with Peyton's father in law for years. We were talking at our Super Bowl party before the lawsuit was even filed. He said that I think it was Ashley's brother (so, future brother in law) told Peyton in college that he was too uptight and needed to loosen up and have fun. A weeks later, this incident occurred.
 
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jave36 said:
Turns out it was Doug Sirmoms who tossed Cal. Buzz Peterson is blasting him on Twitter.
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Sirmons certainly has an ego. Watched him for years.

Edit: I was actually thinking of Doug Shows. But Sirmons has been around a long time, too.
 
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Outofmyvolcanmind said:
Cat,

Do you classify yourself as negavol or antivol?

I ask because a negavol always expects something bad to happen.

Antivol is someone that pounces (pun intended) and draws attention to anything bad that might happen or is happening.

I rarely see you expand on positive discussion but always carry on about all things detrimental.
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I'm just saying to draw your own conclusion with this. I'm a negavol by your definition
 
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InVOLuntary said:
I can see that and I think Butch and the AD has done that. Take the Paulk situation. No charges were filed but he had eye witness accounts from players stating what happened and Butch dismissed him from the team. The only further action would have been to kick him out of school. Maybe that's what these morons want. Maybe they felt like being removed from the team wasn't adequate punishment. I continue to believe these folks only have a motive of trying to make bank off this. This sanctimonious statements of wanting UT to change is a farce IMO. They don't want to go to court. They were banking on UT settling. It's the reason they've named Lil' John and Peyton. They realize the awkward position of having them deposed. Well it just may have come back to bite them.

Now let me make myself perfectly clear, I in no way believe that things should be swept under the rug for athletes or anyone for that matter. I do however have a problem with legal extortion and that appears to be the case here. I think a lot of the cases would never present themselves if the Loser pays the winner's legal expenses.
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Don't disagree.
 
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