Gun control debate (merged)

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bnhunt said:
Mandatory background checks for gun shows is "wrong" or "inept"?
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Does it truly solve any problems? In your little fraidy cat mind I am sure it does, but to rational thinking people it is a waste of time money and effort.
 
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RollinVol said:
If you don't already. Just love to Memphis. You won't have to hear right wing stuff. Just move to orange mound or near booker t Washington. Will be utopia for you.
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So you are admitting that Republicans do not do anything for minorities and poor people? And I realize you live in the south and have your head buried in the sand, but I hate to tell you that there are more Democrats than just poor, African-Americans.
 
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SpaceCoastVol said:
Does it truly solve any problems? In your little fraidy cat mind I am sure it does, but to rational thinking people it is a waste of time money and effort.
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If it saves just one life, then it is worth it to me, so if that make me a "fraidy cat", then so be it. However, I realize that your right to own a 1,000 guns is more important than saving innocent peoples lives.
 
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bnhunt said:
If it saves just one life, then it is worth it to me, so if that make me a "fraidy cat", then so be it. However, I realize that your right to own a 1,000 guns is more important than saving innocent peoples lives.
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Okay, when the Secret Service gives up theirs, I'll consider your position.
 
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bnhunt said:
If it saves just one life, then it is worth it to me, so if that make me a "fraidy cat", then so be it. However, I realize that your right to own a 1,000 guns is more important than saving innocent peoples lives.
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Again, you blame legitimate responsible people for the problem, with zero quantifyabe data to prove your 'solution' will do anything other than sate your lust to disarm law abiding citizens. And chickenshiit it more apropos. You fear what you don't understand.
 
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bnhunt said:
So you are admitting that Republicans do not do anything for minorities and poor people? And I realize you live in the south and have your head buried in the sand, but I hate to tell you that there are more Democrats than just poor, African-Americans.
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Well, considering the poorest and most dangerous areas of the US are controlled by Democrats, I'd say that proves that either Democrats are incompetent or they don't actually help minorities like they claim.
 
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Grand Vol said:
Okay, when the Secret Service gives up theirs, I'll consider your position.
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All schools should be gun free zones!!!! (Unless it's a school attended by Washington elites whose children are sooooooo much more precious than the rest of ours.)
 
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bnhunt said:
If it saves just one life, then it is worth it to me, so if that make me a "fraidy cat", then so be it. However, I realize that your right to own a 1,000 guns is more important than saving innocent peoples lives.
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I'll restate this..


"I find it funny that "you people" use the slogan "of banning guns saves just one life it's worth it" . but are so against the idea that someone with a gun could save more. Get over yourself."

Your whole theory is based on an if. Why is it so difficult for you to understand that your stance violates so many law abiding citizens rights?
 
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bnhunt said:
If it saves just one life, then it is worth it to me, so if that make me a "fraidy cat", then so be it. However, I realize that your right to own a 1,000 guns is more important than saving innocent peoples lives.
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If it saves just one life, we need to prohibit alcohol. If it saves just one life we need to prohibit knives. If it saves just one life, people shouldn't be allowed to swim anymore.

You see, I'm not willing to put a price on people and I'm not willing to compromise my rights because people with evil motives abuse them.
 
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bnhunt said:
So you are admitting that Republicans do not do anything for minorities and poor people? And I realize you live in the south and have your head buried in the sand, but I hate to tell you that there are more Democrats than just poor, African-Americans.
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It's not the govt's job to "do something" for anyone other than protect their rights to life, liberty, and property. Beyond that, govt interference in life is illegitimate. Look at the incredible harm leftist policies have done to the poor and minorities. They've created a slave caste to the state.
 
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bnhunt said:
So you are admitting that Republicans do not do anything for minorities and poor people? And I realize you live in the south and have your head buried in the sand, but I hate to tell you that there are more Democrats than just poor, African-Americans.
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I am white. I grew up pretty close to orange mound. My mom taught at booker t Washington. Memphis fell in love with the democrats and look at it. No one to blame but themselves.
 
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bnhunt said:
If it saves just one life, then it is worth it to me, so if that make me a "fraidy cat", then so be it. However, I realize that your right to own a 1,000 guns is more important than saving innocent peoples lives.
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If I had 1000 guns none of them would take an innocent life.
 
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CNCVol88 said:
If it saves just one life, we need to prohibit alcohol. If it saves just one life we need to prohibit knives. If it saves just one life, people shouldn't be allowed to swim anymore.
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But think of the children..
 
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CNCVol88 said:
Exactly. It's a non-sequitir. My ownership of weapons and lives saved do not follow each other as I am not the one illegally taking lives
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But if limiting the number and type of guns you own saves just one life, remember your life don't count, isn't it worth it?
 
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How is that Liberals want to take away the rights of law abiding citizens under the premise of saving just one life when they champion abortion that kills thousands daily?
 
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hog88 said:
But if limiting the number and type of guns you own saves just one life, remember your life don't count, isn't it worth it?
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😂😂😂


In all reality though, the argument from the left that we are "collectively" responsible for lost life is absolutely asinine. I am only responsible for me. I cannot reasonably control other people nor do I wish to control other people. I am an individual. They are also an individual and until an individual proves they cannot handle their rights via due process, the barrier to access that right should be minimum.

If we really want to talk about saving lives, let's start with the biggest killer in the country, the govt.
 
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TNsnyper20 said:
I'll restate this..


"I find it funny that "you people" use the slogan "of banning guns saves just one life it's worth it" . but are so against the idea that someone with a gun could save more. Get over yourself."

Your whole theory is based on an if. Why is it so difficult for you to understand that your stance violates so many law abiding citizens rights?
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2 points on that:
1. I don't want to ban ALL guns as you claim. However, I want the regulations and restrictions in place to obtain firearms to be much more stringent. Whatever slight infringement this places on your ability to be able to quickly obtain a gun is far outweighed by the necessity of protecting law-abiding citizens.
2. We pay people to protect us from offenders, so the idea that a regular citizen can determine when they should use their weapon "to save more lives" deeply concerns me because when they feel it is necessary to do so and when I feel it is necessary are probably not going to be the same. Again, this is why we pay people to do this. This is a different analysis if the act occurs in your home, but in public I do not want citizens making this determination when it could put my children and loved ones at risk. Nothing gives you the right to do that.
 
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CNCVol88 said:
😂😂😂


In all reality though, the argument from the left that we are "collectively" responsible for lost life is absolutely asinine. I am only responsible for me. I cannot reasonably control other people nor do I wish to control other people. I am an individual. They are also an individual and until an individual proves they cannot handle their rights via due process, the barrier to access that right should be minimum.

If we really want to talk about saving lives, let's start with the biggest killer in the country, the govt.
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But it does affect other people. If you open fire in a public place because you believe you are protecting yourself, whether this is a reasonable belief or not, it does put other law-abiding citizens at risk. This is why we pay people to do this. Under the right's analysis, we should just abolish the police and let all citizens govern themselves ("Wild West" mentality).
 
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bnhunt said:
But it does affect other people. If you open fire in a public place because you believe you are protecting yourself, whether this is a reasonable belief or not, it does put other law-abiding citizens at risk. This is why we pay people to do this. Under the right's analysis, we should just abolish the police and let all citizens govern themselves ("Wild West" mentality).
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When has this happened where innocent people have been shot? I can think of at least one instance in New York where the police shot innocent bystanders, but when have law abiding citizens opened fire to take down a perp and accidentally shot innocent people as well?
 
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The main issue is that the pro gun folks refuse to consider any possible solution with the that won't work refrain and the you're just out to get my guns. Somewhere and at sometime people need to sit down and rationally examine the issues and determine if there is a problem, what the problem is and possible solutions. The unwillingness to even take a look is troubling to me.
 
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davethevol said:
When has this happened where innocent people have been shot? I can think of at least one instance in New York where the police shot innocent bystanders, but when have law abiding citizens opened fire to take down a perp and accidentally shot innocent people as well?
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There was a gunfight inside an Orlando night club this weekend. Several bystanders were wounded/killed.
 
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bnhunt said:
2 points on that:
1. I don't want to ban ALL guns as you claim. However, I want the regulations and restrictions in place to obtain firearms to be much more stringent. Whatever slight infringement this places on your ability to be able to quickly obtain a gun is far outweighed by the necessity of protecting law-abiding citizens.
2. We pay people to protect us from offenders, so the idea that a regular citizen can determine when they should use their weapon "to save more lives" deeply concerns me because when they feel it is necessary to do so and when I feel it is necessary are probably not going to be the same. Again, this is why we pay people to do this. This is a different analysis if the act occurs in your home, but in public I do not want citizens making this determination when it could put my children and loved ones at risk. Nothing gives you the right to do that.
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1. What further steps would you put in place? And one question, how would making the purchase of a firearm by a law abiding citizen more cumbersome protect law abiding citizens?

2. If you are referencing the police, they are not here to protect us. They come in afterwords, after there has been an incident and sometimes stop it but more often than not investigate it. The highlighted section shows a lack of understanding on your part, the biggest point of inference in a CC permit class is when deadly force is acceptable.

3. Nothing gives you the right to take my right of self defense away.
 
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