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I actually hadn't seen Palin's little speech at all until today, and it wasn't even the whole thing, but holy ****. That was bad even by her own low standards. She sounded like she was on something.
 
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My uncle has PTSD. Not from combat but he was in the navy and lived in subs for too long. He just couldn't mentally handle it anymore and now he's real claustrophobic. Also any type of high tense situation can trigger the panic. I feel really bad for him.

Navy guys, how common is this? I have to imagine it's not rare. I've been in a sub before when he was still in the navy. I don't know if I could do it, out at sea for months at a time confined in that sardine can. It's gotta drive a lot of people crazy.
 
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Welp, there goes the main talking point Trump supporters have been clinging to.

“…there’s a point at which, let’s get to be a little establishment, we gotta get things done, folks, okay? Believe me don’t worry we’re gonna make such great deals,” … “I mean we can all be tough, and we can be th-, but you know at some point we gotta get our country back in track.”
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Grand Vol said:
What's that in context with?
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Trump: And you know what, there’s a point at which, let’s get to be a little bit establishment, because we gotta get things done, folks, okay? Believe me, don’t worry, we’re gonna get such great deals, but at a certain point, you can’t be so strident, you can’t not get along, we gotta get along with people. You know in the old days, Ronald Reagan, and I remember it so vividly, I was a young guy, I helped Ronald Reagan, I really liked him… so what happens, Ronald Reagan would get along with (Democrat) Tip O’Neill, and they’d sit down, and they’d make great deals for everybody. That’s what the country’s about, isn’t it? I mean, we can all be tough but at some point we gotta get our country back on track.
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DC_Vol said:
Trump doesn't talk about smaller government. He just wants to be on the winning side of growing government.

The man is not a conservative. Anyone who says otherwise is letting their trump bias overrule his record.
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IMHO there is a time for pragmatism.

Let's take welfare reform under Clinton. Was that a reduction in government or government changing it's role in something? Anyway you look at it it was still a government program - the deal was to change it in an effort to reduce abuses and incentivize work.

At this point, a move like that looks like a huge win.
 
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volinbham said:
IMHO there is a time for pragmatism.

Let's take welfare reform under Clinton. Was that a reduction in government or government changing it's role in something? Anyway you look at it it was still a government program - the deal was to change it in an effort to reduce abuses and incentivize work.

At this point, a move like that looks like a huge win.
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Sure. I'm merely pointing out that any conservative that expects Trump to be the antidote to a growing federal government is going to be disappointed.

contrary to trump's wording, him working with the "establishment" is not going to be a rare occurrence.
 
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volinbham said:
I'll go ahead and admit I'm warming up to him. Much of his outrageousness is pure show.

He's still not my 1st, 2nd or 3rd choice but I could live with it far more than I could Hillary, Bernie, or Cruz.
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I've been saying it all along. His brash behavior got him on top to where everyone was talking about him. The media couldn't stop yapping about "Guess what The Donald said today." And guess what? They helped put him on top by keeping him in the news.

He's run a brilliant campaign. Especially with the (unknowing) help of the media.
 
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Grand Vol said:
I've been saying it all along. His brash behavior got him on top to where everyone was talking about him. The media couldn't stop yapping about "Guess what The Donald said today." And guess what? They helped put him on top by keeping him in the news.

He's run a brilliant campaign. Especially with the (unknowing) help of the media.
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He, Hillary and Carly have had more deal making experience with world leaders than anyone in the field. Clearly if he was the insult machine he's portrayed to be those deals wouldn't have come to be.

I guarantee he'd be a 180 from Obama in terms of working with Congress (for better or worse)
 
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volinbham said:
He, Hillary and Carly have had more deal making experience with world leaders than anyone in the field. Clearly if he was the insult machine he's portrayed to be those deals wouldn't have come to be.

I guarantee he'd be a 180 from Obama in terms of working with Congress (for better or worse)
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I realize you're probably just trying to take a neutral position, but seriously... how could he be worse??? Obama has been about as divisive as they come.
 
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IBlvNTmWrk said:
I realize you're probably just trying to take a neutral position, but seriously... how could he be worse??? Obama has been about as divisive as they come.
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I meant better or worse that deals actually get made. He'll definitely be better at building consensus and working with Congress than Obama.
 
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gcbvol said:
Both were absolutely complicit.
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I'll agree that was an effect of the first two years of the Administration pushing for their agenda and shoving through legislation without getting any input from the other side.

You look at the way the ACA was pushed and how the GOP was treated like they weren't even there with regards to debate on the law. And try to tell me you thought that was anywhere near correct.
 
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Grand Vol said:
I'll agree that was an effect of the first two years of the Administration pushing for their agenda and shoving through legislation without getting any input from the other side.

You look at the way the ACA was pushed and how the GOP was treated like they weren't even there with regards to debate on the law. And try to tell me you thought that was anywhere near correct.
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ANY President whose party also controls Congress tries to push their agenda as much as possible. It's not unique to Obama. You may not like or agree w/ Obamacare, but to pretend that a President pushing through legislation when his/her party also controls Congress is somehow something new is just ignoring history.
 
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