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carlos86 said:
So explain why we should elect someone who can't even run his own company effectively. If I wanted to elect a CEO it would be Fred Smith not Trump. Trump was so bad at balancing his own budget that Citi Bank had to put him on an allowance .
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He makes a million dollars a day, and you?
 
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Grand Vol said:
Actually, this all got started by someone posting an article that decided had they had Trump's money, this is how they would have spent it and made so much more!

Politics aside, I can't understand how anyone could even remotely call the man "not as successful as he could have been" after creating a billion dollar enterprise.
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Because he didn't. His father did. Trump did build his company from the ground up. His company had s foundation and he still nearly manage to bankrupt it.
 
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FLVOL69 said:
How's that working out ? It's time we became a profitable nation again. Obama's doubled the debt with nothing to show for it but a sluggish 2% GDP over the last seven years, for all your education you really don't get it. The so called conservatives in congress have capitulated to Barry's every whim for fear of being labeled a bigot or racist.. Trumps success is is a direct response to the failed policies of Obama.
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What part of Trump's revenue neutral economic plan do you think is going to reduce the deficit?

You should pay attention to the details, you're going to hire a RINO who has no intention of reducing the deficit or be conservative in any way. This guy will say and do anything to get elected. Anything.

Ahh, here we go again... Obama "spent". Are you kidding about the capitulation? The congress has stonewalled him at every opportunity, that's not even debatable.
 
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n_huffhines said:
Well you can't say it "for sure" about anyone, but I would say Trump is different because it's business as usual for him and he clearly is a supporter of croneyism. Yeah every idiot we elect does it, but it could be a huge problem with Trump.
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Let me ask you this in regards to your statement here.

Do you think Trump would do so to for people he knew could get the job done or would be dishing it out for political favors like other candidates have done in the past?

It's hard to justify the second portion of that statement with what's been going on so far. Trump has no allies in the political world so far and has done it pretty much on his own. Normally, politicians will nominate friends and significant campaign donors to positions of trust within the government. I honestly don't know if Trump would do the same as the private sector doesn't tolerate incompetence like the government sector does. The Peter Principle is in full effect within the government. Not as much within the private sector without tanking a company.

Look, I'm not voting for him, but a lot of the things you are bringing up end in a pretty big question mark as to it actually happening. He's not exactly a normal candidate and it remains to be seen who or what he would accomplish as the GOP candidate and/or President.
 
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Septic said:
What part of Trump's revenue neutral economic plan do you think is going to reduce the deficit?

You should pay attention to the details, you're going to hire a RINO who has no intention of reducing the deficit or be conservative in any way. This guy will say and do anything to get elected. Anything.

Ahh, here we go again... Obama "spent". Are you kidding about the capitulation? The congress has stonewalled him at every opportunity, that's not even debatable.
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Trumps economic plans add an additional $11 trillion to the debt. No one else's plan does that besides Berine the commie Sanders.
 
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IBlvNTmWrk said:
Having a good business man as POTUS is exactly what I want. All our government has proven recently is to increase both debt and taxes. And Bernie will lead to more.
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Then we should hire people that actually pass budgets and spend money based on the limits contained therein. Pretty sure that's the Congresses job. No?
 
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carlos86 said:
Because he didn't. His father did. Trump did build his company from the ground up. His company had s foundation and he still nearly manage to bankrupt it.
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He's a multi billionaire papi, you act like he's some ex nfl player who's broke two years out of the league. Finances are only part of the equation, are you cool with all the refugees Obama intends on importing? If so write your governor or senator and request they be sent to your town.
 
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Septic said:
What part of Trump's revenue neutral economic plan do you think is going to reduce the deficit?

You should pay attention to the details, you're going to hire a RINO who has no intention of reducing the deficit or be conservative in any way. This guy will say and do anything to get elected. Anything.

Ahh, here we go again... Obama "spent". Are you kidding about the capitulation? The congress has stonewalled him at every opportunity, that's not even debatable.
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This is what Trump should be roasted and criticized for. Not his business dealings.
 
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carlos86 said:
Trumps economic plans add an additional $11 trillion to the debt. No one else's plan does that besides Berine the commie Sanders.
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Source?

You could be right, I thought I read where his tax plan was revenue neutral.

Did the CBO vet that $11t to the deficit?

If so, so much for fiscal conservatism or any argument that his business experience would have an influence. Don't know about you guys but if I looked at my P&L and it showed a deficit like that - I'd be shown the door post haste.
 
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carlos86 said:
Because he didn't. His father did. Trump did build his company from the ground up. His company had s foundation and he still nearly manage to bankrupt it.
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Nearly managed and did manage are two separate things you know?

And you trying to say his father created everything is not helping your case.
 
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Septic said:
Source?

You could be right, I thought I read where his tax plan was revenue neutral.

Did the CBO vet that $11t to the deficit?

If so, so much for fiscal conservatism or any argument that his business experience would have an influence. Don't know about you guys but if I looked at my P&L and it showed a deficit like that - I'd be shown the door post haste.
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What if it cost 11T but brings in 20T?
 
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FLVOL69 said:
Like dingy Harry and Peelosi? GTFO
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I didn't realize that Reid and Pelosi were solely responsible for national budgeting and expenditures. Hah, who knew?!


You're completely oblivious to the fact that the right has just done a better job of forging and honing the message of fiscal conservatism than the left.

History disagrees with your perception of the right being better stewards of the national budget. GTFO
 
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FLVOL69 said:
He's a multi billionaire papi, you act like he's some ex nfl player who's broke two years out of the league. Finances are only part of the equation, are you cool with all the refugees Obama intends on importing? If so write your governor or senator and request they be sent to your town.
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He's a billionaire who's company just filed for bankruptcy in 2014.
 
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Septic said:
I didn't realize that Reid and Pelosi were solely responsible for national budgeting and expenditures. Hah, who knew?!


You're completely oblivious to the fact that the right has just done a better job of forging and honing the message of fiscal conservatism than the left.

History disagrees. GTFO[/o

Messaging and delivering are two different things, how many bills sat on Harry's desk during his tenure genius?
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Septic said:
Source?

You could be right, I thought I read where his tax plan was revenue neutral.

Did the CBO vet that $11t to the deficit?

If so, so much for fiscal conservatism or any argument that his business experience would have an influence. Don't know about you guys but if I looked at my P&L and it showed a deficit like that - I'd be shown the door post haste.
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Donald Trump's false claim that his tax plan wouldn't increase the deficit | PolitiFact

Details and Analysis of Donald Trump?s Tax Plan | Tax Foundation
 
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carlos86 said:
He's a billionaire who's company just filed for bankruptcy in 2014.
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Two terms of Obama it's a miracle he's maintained as well as he has, slowest recovery since the depression, you do know he owns over 500 companies right? Under Obama more small businesses have closed than started, areal testament to his fiscal prowess..
 
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Grand Vol said:
Let me ask you this in regards to your statement here.

Do you think Trump would do so to for people he knew could get the job done or would be dishing it out for political favors like other candidates have done in the past?

It's hard to justify the second portion of that statement with what's been going on so far. Trump has no allies in the political world so far and has done it pretty much on his own. Normally, politicians will nominate friends and significant campaign donors to positions of trust within the government. I honestly don't know if Trump would do the same as the private sector doesn't tolerate incompetence like the government sector does. The Peter Principle is in full effect within the government. Not as much within the private sector without tanking a company.

Look, I'm not voting for him, but a lot of the things you are bringing up end in a pretty big question mark as to it actually happening. He's not exactly a normal candidate and it remains to be seen who or what he would accomplish as the GOP candidate and/or President.
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I am not talking about appointments to office (nepotism), I am talking about croneyism. Picking winners and losers in the market.
 
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Septic said:
Source?

You could be right, I thought I read where his tax plan was revenue neutral.

Did the CBO vet that $11t to the deficit?

If so, so much for fiscal conservatism or any argument that his business experience would have an influence. Don't know about you guys but if I looked at my P&L and it showed a deficit like that - I'd be shown the door post haste.
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It's a mix of budget cuts and lowering taxes. Eliminating fraud, waste and abuse within the government while eliminating loopholes in the tax plan.

Opponents of Trump will say it won't work. Neutral parties say they aren't sure. And of course pro-Trump parties will say it's the greatest thing since sliced bread.
 
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FLVOL69 said:
Septic said:
I didn't realize that Reid and Pelosi were solely responsible for national budgeting and expenditures. Hah, who knew?!


You're completely oblivious to the fact that the right has just done a better job of forging and honing the message of fiscal conservatism than the left.

History disagrees. GTFO[/o

Messaging and delivering are two different things, how many bills sat on Harry's desk during his tenure genius?
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Clearly, accepting a modicum of responsibility are foreign concepts to people like you, just blame Obama for everything. Like I said, history and facts show your argument to be as shallow as they usually are.
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