Obama to announce new gun restrictions

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sammyhagar said:
I don't own any guns but my guess would be, for a lot of people anyway, that guns make powerless people feel powerful. It probably gives them a sense of control and authority over things that ultimately, deep down, they know they have no control or authority over. They're scared, and guns make them feel better, feel safer, even if they're not any safer at all.
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I would say a very small % fit this narrative, very small. But even then, so what?
 
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sammyhagar said:
I don't own any guns but my guess would be, for a lot of people anyway, that guns make powerless people feel powerful. It probably gives them a sense of control and authority over things that ultimately, deep down, they know they have no control or authority over. They're scared, and guns make them feel better, feel safer, even if they're not any safer at all.
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Or it could be gun owners like shooting as a hobby and it is their constitutional right to do so.
 
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FLVOL69 said:
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Not following GWB he's not. At worst, he is still ahead of Jr.
 
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because as people grow older and the times change, they feel their lives slipping away from them. there comes a point--around 20 years before they grow so old their brains break down and they mellow out--where this is most acutely felt as the next generation graduates into control of the world. the American dream they were promised as children was never achieved as an adult (was it ever achievable?), and all remaining hope slips through their fingers. it is at this point that they desperately cling to what little they have left. "public correctness" is taking away their ability to speak their mind. "taxes" just skim whatever hope was left from their pocket books. "immigrants" take the jobs they never wanted in the first place, but were nice to know were always available to fall back on.

they grow scared. kids are punching old people and with the internet their children and grandchildren are on another plane of existence. with no dreams or hopes or control of the world, at least they still have self-autonomy. they can still think what they want. their continued existence is their temple. their rights are the lasting emblem of self-autonomy. and guns are a right, as written so many years ago. you can't have my rights. you can't have my gun.
 
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sammyhagar said:
because as people grow older and the times change, they feel their lives slipping away from them. there comes a point--around 20 years before they grow so old their brains break down and they mellow out--where this is most acutely felt as the next generation graduates into control of the world. the American dream they were promised as children was never achieved as an adult (was it ever achievable?), and all remaining hope slips through their fingers. it is at this point that they desperately cling to what little they have left. "public correctness" is taking away their ability to speak their mind. "taxes" just skim whatever hope was left from their pocket books. "immigrants" take the jobs they never wanted in the first place, but were nice to know were always available to fall back on.

they grow scared. kids are punching old people and with the internet their children and grandchildren are on another plane of existence. with no dreams or hopes or control of the world, at least they still have self-autonomy. they can still think what they want. their continued existence is their temple. their rights are the lasting emblem of self-autonomy. and guns are a right, as written so many years ago. you can't have my rights. you can't have my gun.
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I'm sorry. That's the dumbest **** I've read on here in quite some time.
 
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sammyhagar said:
I don't own any guns but my guess would be, for a lot of people anyway, that guns make powerless people feel powerful. It probably gives them a sense of control and authority over things that ultimately, deep down, they know they have no control or authority over. They're scared, and guns make them feel better, feel safer, even if they're not any safer at all.
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And those that don't own guns find them scary and evil, which makes them feel more insecure than they already are, creates anxiety and a feeling of being out of control and vulnerable knowing their neighbor might own one.
 
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Actually, on second thought, Obama's tears were probably out of joy because of all the kickbacks he's about to get from the firearm manufacturers. Best gun salesman in America eight years running.
 
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sammyhagar said:
Obama works for ISIS

Obama wants your guns

Am I doing it right?
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I don't make the usual political appeals that most do here when it comes to rights. So don't put me in that group. If you don't want to own a gun, fine. If you do, that's fine too. Just don't try to limit others ability to defend themselves however they see fit.
 
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ClearwaterVol said:
And you missed this... "But preliminary data are available for Oregon, British Columbia, Texas, nine counties in California (which together held 57 percent of the population of central and southern California), eight Native peoples in California, five cattle towns, five mining towns, and two counties each in Arizona and Colorado."

It doesn't quite sound as selective as you make it sound.
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No, I saw it. Yet somehow you use this incomplete data to support that the wild west really was wild after all. Completely ignoring the fact that modern medicine takes a serious toll on the number of dead and those that would have certainly died 100+ years ago can be saved today. Or that using cow towns and mining camps (which I will give you were notoriously more violent than say a farming community) somehow can extrapolate onto the entire population.

And of course, that's a selected portion of the country which you are trying to apply to the entire nation. The "wild west" is not a specific geographical area. Where does it being? Where does it end? What time frame specifically does it include? Does it also include deaths due to fighting with the Native American tribes? Or just folks that met on the street at high noon and shot at each other?

You could just concede that the so called "wild west" cannot be applied to anything today because of the lack of complete data. But then how could you argue?
 
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sammyhagar said:
I don't own any guns but my guess would be, for a lot of people anyway, that guns make powerless people feel powerful. It probably gives them a sense of control and authority over things that ultimately, deep down, they know they have no control or authority over. They're scared, and guns make them feel better, feel safer, even if they're not any safer at all.
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Or we like shooting guns? Feel free to keep projecting though.
 
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sammyhagar said:
because as people grow older and the times change, they feel their lives slipping away from them. there comes a point--around 20 years before they grow so old their brains break down and they mellow out--where this is most acutely felt as the next generation graduates into control of the world. the American dream they were promised as children was never achieved as an adult (was it ever achievable?), and all remaining hope slips through their fingers. it is at this point that they desperately cling to what little they have left. "public correctness" is taking away their ability to speak their mind. "taxes" just skim whatever hope was left from their pocket books. "immigrants" take the jobs they never wanted in the first place, but were nice to know were always available to fall back on.

they grow scared. kids are punching old people and with the internet their children and grandchildren are on another plane of existence. with no dreams or hopes or control of the world, at least they still have self-autonomy. they can still think what they want. their continued existence is their temple. their rights are the lasting emblem of self-autonomy. and guns are a right, as written so many years ago. you can't have my rights. you can't have my gun.
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I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
 
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Funny thing is, no one seems to be offering much argument against the individual proposals. A little, but its meek. It seems like most people accept that these proposals are common sense, and have been endorsed in the past by many Republicans, some of them prominent.

And so as usual, the attack has deteriorated simply into the usual slippery slope claims and the gripes about Obama going around Congress. The notion of slippery slope when it comes to restricting guns is laughable. And the Congress issue is public record -- the Republicans won't do squat because they do not want to risk a bad grade from the NRA.

Even if they could do something sensible -- and endorsed by Reagan and Bushes and the like -- they are so afraid of a bad grade from the NRA come election time, they cower in the corner.

So that, my friends, is why is falls to Obama to do what pretty much everyone agrees are some basically good ideas.


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FLVOL69 said:
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Bs, you've been living under a rock the last seven years or comatose, which is it?
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Well that was certainly informative, I stand corrected.

War on Vets - You mean the war started by GWB in Iraq without any basis whatsoever that caused 57,000 young men to come home dead or maimed?

War on Freedom - Like George who supported laws that permitted spying and wiretaps on US citizens without probable cause.

War on Healthcare - I'm not a fan of Obamacare.

War on the Unborn - I can't see how he has affected abortion rights one way or the other.

War on Patriots - WTF does this even mean? Again, he's not the guy that supported legislation to wire tap American citizens.

War on the Economy - Now this is just stupid because the economy is far better than the mess he inherited.

War on Coal - You mean you think that chopping the tops off mountains and storing toxic sludge in lakes that leach into drinking water is a good thing.

War on Oil - Again, WTF? I am using more oil than ever and enjoying low prices.

War on Family - WTF?

War on Blacks - I don't see a war on blacks, but I am disappointed that Obama was not successful in improving race relations. He was detrimental, in that regard.

War on Guns - Background checks, oh my.

War on Rights - I don't know what this means.

War on the Constitution - Again, see GWB's actions.

War on America - WTF?

War on We the Peoples - Seriously, did you write this nonsense?
 
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sammyhagar said:
I don't own any guns but my guess would be, for a lot of people anyway, that guns make powerless people feel powerful. It probably gives them a sense of control and authority over things that ultimately, deep down, they know they have no control or authority over. They're scared, and guns make them feel better, feel safer, even if they're not any safer at all.
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This is some really stupid sh!t right here. Congratulations on being a moron. :good!:
 
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ClearwaterVol said:
Well that was certainly informative, I stand corrected.

War on Vets - You mean the war started by GWB in Iraq without any basis whatsoever that caused 57,000 young men to come home dead or maimed?

War on Freedom - Like George who supported laws that permitted spying and wiretaps on US citizens without probable cause.

War on Healthcare - I'm not a fan of Obamacare.

War on the Unborn - I can't see how he has affected abortion rights one way or the other.

War on Patriots - WTF does this even mean? Again, he's not the guy that supported legislation to wire tap American citizens.

War on the Economy - Now this is just stupid because the economy is far better than the mess he inherited.

War on Coal - You mean you think that chopping the tops off mountains and storing toxic sludge in lakes that leach into drinking water is a good thing.

War on Oil - Again, WTF? I am using more oil than ever and enjoying low prices.

War on Family - WTF?

War on Blacks - I don't see a war on blacks, but I am disappointed that Obama was not successful in improving race relations. He was detrimental, in that regard.

War on Guns - Background checks, oh my.

War on Rights - I don't know what this means.

War on the Constitution - Again, see GWB's actions.

War on America - WTF?

War on We the Peoples - Seriously, did you write this nonsense?
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It's the Right Wing Talking Points regurgitated ad nauseam. It's the old adage about if you keep saying it, people will start believing it (see Fox News viewers).
I didn't see the War on Christmas listed, is that War over? Of course, because it never started.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Funny thing is, no one seems to be offering much argument against the individual proposals. A little, but its meek. It seems like most people accept that these proposals are common sense, and have been endorsed in the past by many Republicans, some of them prominent.

And so as usual, the attack has deteriorated simply into the usual slippery slope claims and the gripes about Obama going around Congress. The notion of slippery slope when it comes to restricting guns is laughable. And the Congress issue is public record -- the Republicans won't do squat because they do not want to risk a bad grade from the NRA.

Even if they could do something sensible -- and endorsed by Reagan and Bushes and the like -- they are so afraid of a bad grade from the NRA come election time, they cower in the corner.

So that, my friends, is why is falls to Obama to do what pretty much everyone agrees are some basically good ideas.
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Again, what is he proposing that isn't already on the books?
 
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