Gun control debate (merged)

[TNsnyper20]

Maybe they can, maybe they can't. At least they'd have a fighting chance.

This. If I'm found in a situation like that. I fully understand I may not make it out alive. But I sure like my chances with a gun more so than without.

 

[C1500]

You are both speculating that someone with a handgun in the middle of a crowd can do jack shiite in a terrorist attack. You are insane.

If they drop a bomb I would agree, but to tell me that someone with a handgun could not stop a shooter...you are the insane one.

Why I have a CCP is to protect me and the ones around me. You know why the Chattanooga shooter picked the recruiting center first? It was a gun free zone...the men and women that we trust to protect our country was not allowed to carry a gun.

Do you think if the place was full of men and women armed the guy would have been as prone to attack it?

I'm not trying to make it into a DEM/REP debate, but why can't we come together and see whats going on.

We didn't leave Britain and take this country by going to #safespace. We had to fight for it...most crimes like this take place where guns are not allowed.

One person can make all the difference.

 

[UTCVol]

LG would have poor people in violent neighborhoods and women be defenseless against would-be attackers. Shameful, and not very progressive.

 

[tumscalcium]

It is self evident.

How many people have had their guns stolen and used in crime?

How many have thwarted a mass active shooter?

Compare and contrast.

Why does it have to be compared to a mass shooting event? How many guns are not stolen? How many protect people's families and themselves? They're also used for hunting, etc....

 

[hog88]

Same arrogance that leads people to think the 2nd amendment gives them the right to own an unlimited amount of guns/weapons.

It does. So now what?

 

[FLVOL69]

It does. So now what?

Touché

 

[lawgator1]

So...you can't answer the question(s)?

Figured.

You can move along now. Bring along that mouthbreather TN Ribs to call me a fraud again and not dispel any facts either.

You speculate that they could, I am extremely skeptical. You base your thinking on how cool Bruce Willis was in Die Hard, offing all those bad guys starting with just a pistol. I base my thinking on common freaking sense.

 

[TNsnyper20]

You speculate that they could, I am extremely skeptical. You base your thinking on how cool Bruce Willis was in Die Hard, offing all those bad guys starting with just a pistol. I base my thinking on common freaking sense.

Your speculating that they can't, I'm extremely optimistic. You're not basing your thinking on common sense. Your basing it on the concept that is a flock of sheep all join together the wolf won't attack. Yippy ki yay mother ****er.

 

[hog88]

You speculate that they could, I am extremely skeptical. You base your thinking on how cool Bruce Willis was in Die Hard, offing all those bad guys starting with just a pistol. I base my thinking on common freaking sense.

Die Hard? WTF?

The differences are some people are comfortable being the sheep and others the wolves. Take a guess as to which you are.

 

[FLVOL_79]

Southpark's finale was a great one about guns.

 

[Skullbone]

Fellas, there are actual statistics put together by John Lott that answer a lot of the questions asked in here. Check it out yourselves. Guns are part of our culture and are specifically enumerated in our founding document. We're not giving that up to make a few ignorant authoritarians feel better for five minutes just before they move to seize control of people's lives in some other aspect. These people are never satisfied.

 

[hndog609]

You speculate that they could, I am extremely skeptical. You base your thinking on how cool Bruce Willis was in Die Hard, offing all those bad guys starting with just a pistol. I base my thinking on common freaking sense.

Why would we need to speculate?

Uber driver, licensed to carry gun, shoots gunman in Logan Square - Chicago Tribune

 

[bnhunt]

People collect knives too...... Your argument is puny and weak

I have no problem limiting all weapons sales, including knives. Although, I haven't heard of many mass knifing or stabbing incidents lately.

 

[hog88]

I have no problem limiting all weapons sales, including knives. Although, I haven't heard of many mass knifing or stabbing incidents lately.

Speech has killed more people than legal guns, you ready to place limits on the 1st amendment?

 

[bnhunt]

Speech has killed more people than legal guns, you ready to place limits on the 1st amendment?

Proof to support this?

 

[lawgator1]

Fellas, there are actual statistics put together by John Lott that answer a lot of the questions asked in here. Check it out yourselves. Guns are part of our culture and are specifically enumerated in our founding document. We're not giving that up to make a few ignorant authoritarians feel better for five minutes just before they move to seize control of people's lives in some other aspect. These people are never satisfied.

He's a well known fraud.

Shooting Down the Gun Lobby’s Favorite “Academic”: A Lott of Lies | Armed With Reason

 

[SpaceCoastVol]

The fact that people have a "cache" of guns is one of the big problems. Why do people need 15-20 guns?

Anytime a liberal interjects the term "need" enters into an argument, they have nothing legitimate to add to that argument. It really goes to the heart of the liberal desire to control every aspect of your life.

You don't "need" a television.
You don't "need" a car because you can walk to work, or take the bus.
You don't "need" a college education.
You don't "need" ______________.

In the diseased liberal mind, the only thing anyone "needs" is government.

 

[SpaceCoastVol]

I tend to agree. However, for most things there are parameters of reasonableness and at some point it would seem to me that the amount of guns someone owns would exceed that threshold.

Who in the hell are you to determine what is or is not reasonable? Why is it reasonable for me to have 40% of my earnings confiscated by the government?

 

[lawgator1]

Why would we need to speculate?

Uber driver, licensed to carry gun, shoots gunman in Logan Square - Chicago Tribune

Not a terrorist, or group of terrorists, randomly spraying a crowd with an automatic weapon on a suicide mission.

For every one incident you can point to where a person armed with a gun prevented crime, there are many, many others, where gun violence has taken a life.

One recent study puts it at 38 to 1.

Gun and self-defense statistics that might surprise you -- and the NRA - LA Times

Even if its just half that, or a third, or a quarter, the simple fact is that guns are used FAR MORE OFTEN to commit crime, rather than to prevent it.

 

[bnhunt]

Anytime a liberal interjects the term "need" enters into an argument, they have nothing legitimate to add to that argument. It really goes to the heart of the liberal desire to control every aspect of your life.

You don't "need" a television.
You don't "need" a car because you can walk to work, or take the bus.
You don't "need" a college education.
You don't "need" ______________.

In the diseased liberal mind, the only thing anyone "needs" is government.

I actually have no desire to control any aspect of your life UNLESS it affects my life and the life of my family. The last time I checked TVs and college educations don't kill anyone (at least not directly anyway). However, guns do. Again, I have no desire to take away all of your guns, but I think that more strict gun regulation is hard to argue against. If it takes you a few extra days or weeks for you to get your next gun, but that same regulation stops at least one shooting that kills innocent people and children, then don't you agree that it is more than worth it?

 

[TNsnyper20]

I have no problem limiting all weapons sales, including knives. Although, I haven't heard of many mass knifing or stabbing incidents lately.

This is why gun control and stricter gun laws will never work. Simply because it will not stop with just that. You yourself have just stated that you would limit all weapon sales. What's to say you don't stop with just stricter gun laws? You won't. The left won't. And you just admitted it.

 

[SpaceCoastVol]

Tom Dempsey kicked one straight on from 63 yards with his short club foot, but overall distance is less. I was stuck at a little over 45 yards, but that was almost 50 years ago, and I was a teenager, and not that strong. Weight training has come a long way.

Also the soccer style kick generates much more leg speed. Seems to be simple physics to me. Dempsey's kick was amazing.

 

[TNsnyper20]

Not a terrorist, or group of terrorists, randomly spraying a crowd with an automatic weapon on a suicide mission.

For every one incident you can point to where a person armed with a gun prevented crime, there are many, many others, where gun violence has taken a life.

One recent study puts it at 38 to 1.

Gun and self-defense statistics that might surprise you -- and the NRA - LA Times

Even if its just half that, or a third, or a quarter, the simple fact is that guns are used FAR MORE OFTEN to commit crime, rather than to prevent it.

How many of those happen in gun free zones where law abiding citizens do not have to option to arm themselves?

 

[Grand Vol]

You speculate that they could, I am extremely skeptical. You base your thinking on how cool Bruce Willis was in Die Hard, offing all those bad guys starting with just a pistol. I base my thinking on common freaking sense.

Did you just use a Hollywood movie to try to make a point?

Please tell me you didn't just use Die Hard to try to make a point...

 

[lawgator1]

Did you just use a Hollywood movie to try to make a point?

Please tell me you didn't just use Die Hard to try to make a point...

My point is that, whether its Die Hard or a John Wayne movie, the far right has a whole bunch of idiots within it who have romanticized gun ownership, and who have bought into the notion that its "cool" or "manly" to possess a gun. That one day, you could be the hero that stops terrorists (or even just a mugging).

That with an hour of training, you can, like, kneel down behind a car door, and pick off the bad guys from 50 yards away with your handgun. Or hid behind a theater chair and start turkey shooting the terrorists in the balcony armed with assault rifles they converted to automatics.

It is not impossible to find incidents where people have successfully used firearms to prevent crime. But the simple fact is that it is extremely rare combined to uses of guns to commit crime. And in terms of terrorists incidents, the claim that if everyone was strapped then they could kill off the terrorists out of the blue is just really absurd, and is based on this naivete born of Hollywood.