Are people going crazy because they think Oklahoma is a 8-5 football team?

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omghulkhands said:
Bynum is and was always better than Jumper. I have a hard time believing Kirkland wasn't either. You don't have to be a coach to see that. That pathetic insult is getting old.

Maybe Jumper was playing... because of his daddy. Maybe Jones was pressured to play him because of Hart, Cheek or the UT President. Who knows....point is that somebody, somewhere made a critical mistake.

Jones and Hall may also not have been ready at the beginning of the season, but they sure as hell were when thrown into the fire against great competition. The question is...how long before that were they ready? We don't know because it took injuries to find out. Again, I don't know, you don't know...but they were good when they played....so the questions remains.
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so your argument is to second guess everything the coaches do? You were screaming for Peterman to start versus FL, and Peterman crapped the bed. Then the same people were crying "Why would he start Peterman in the swamp?" You should loan CBJ your crystal ball so that he can make decisions that satisfy your innate urge to second guess everything.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
I'm disappointed like everyone else about the game but we did not lose to an inferior team. Many experts have Oklahoma making the playoff. Practically no one picked us and many were afraid we would get embarrassed. This loss hurts but it's not embrassing. Losing to Toledo at home is embrassing.

Butch Jones may not know many things but he does know talent. Before the Bowling Green game, he said they were an explosive offense with an NFL QB. I took it as coach speak and thought we would handle them easily. We now know Bowling Green is a good football team. Similarly, Butch said Oklahoma is underrated and a top 5 football team. If that turns out to be true, then we just had a playoff team on the ropes.

This team can still be great. Folks need to let the season play itself out before making declarations this early in the season. Bringing negativity to this football team this early in the season is wrong.

Tennessee fans need to grow up.
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i'm not disappointed that we lost, but how we lost. we had the OU and UF games in the bag and jones went conservative and cost us both. I haven't really said anything about the hogs or bama because they were not as bad. we lost. I thought they were the better teams that day. i'm sorry but the UF game was embarrassing. not going for 2 was a junior high mistake and jones explanation made it worse. the man can recruit, but he can not coach a lick. only chance we have is if he hires a top notch OC or learns how to coach. in my opinion neither will happen. I look for 7-5 or 8-4 to be the norm at Tennessee. for the most part 80 to 85 percent of UT fans are good with that.
 
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titansvolsfaninga said:
so your argument is to second guess everything the coaches do? You were screaming for Peterman to start versus FL, and Peterman crapped the bed. Then the same people were crying "Why would he start Peterman in the swamp?" You should loan CBJ your crystal ball so that he can make decisions that satisfy your innate urge to second guess everything.
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First of all, no idea what that rant about Peterman is about. You're just generalizing random red herrings

Secondly, yes...we should second guess him. He better be second guessing himself too. He gets paid millions to make decisions. MILLIONS.

That's how you get better
 
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To be honest, I still don't think OU and Florida were that good. That's not really meant to slam Butch, but I think we were better than both.

OU goes as Mayfield goes, and against us, he was bad. Was that because of our defense? Yeah, maybe. That's a legit argument, and I don't mean to belittle it. But I'll always think of those two games as games we should have won.
 
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omghulkhands said:
First of all, no idea what that rant about Peterman is about. You're just generalizing random red herrings

Secondly, yes...we should second guess him. He better be second guessing himself too. He gets paid millions to make decisions. MILLIONS.

That's how you get better
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That is stupid. If your whole shtick is to second guess every move he makes, you will never be happy. You will be a perpetual complainer. EVERY coach makes in game coaching blunders. A perfectly coached game does not happen too often. Hell, I would say that they never happen. Find another crusade.
 
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titansvolsfaninga said:
That is stupid. If your whole shtick is to second guess every move he makes, you will never be happy. You will be a perpetual complainer. EVERY coach makes in game coaching blunders. A perfectly coached game does not happen too often. Hell, I would say that they never happen. Find another crusade.
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Writing off every coaching blunder as "well, everyone makes mistakes" over and over and over is even more stupid.
 
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titansvolsfaninga said:
That is stupid. If your whole shtick is to second guess every move he makes, you will never be happy. You will be a perpetual complainer. EVERY coach makes in game coaching blunders. A perfectly coached game does not happen too often. Hell, I would say that they never happen. Find another crusade.
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I see, you're confused

They aren't complaints. It's called discussing football


forgive me, I just don't understand what it is you expect from this message board and UT fans.

Are we supposed to only praise him?

Having some number of criticisms to provide and supporting him are not mutually exclusive things. Some people on here like to think they are for some reason.
 
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I was madder than a hornet after the Oklahoma game, and personally, I would have preferred to have been more aggressive in offensive play calling. So, as a preface, I have been a CBJ detractor regarding the conservative approach.

But, this notion that "we had the games won," and a different tact would have been a sure win is absolutely absurd. We've all seen Josh Dobbs throw the football, right? Sometimes he's spectacular and other times he's absolutely awful.

While I don't agree with his approach, I do at least understand why CBJ and company have taken the approach that they have. Maybe not executing the running plays to kill the clock (albeit against a stacked front) is more palatable to the coaches than punting back to the other team after killing the clock twice with incompletions or even worse, giving the other team a short field with a turnover.

It's way too easy to play the shoulda, coulda, woulda game after the fact.
 
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AllVolForLife_16 said:
People also forget about Ellis dropping the sure handed TD right in his hands, which would've likely won us the game by the end of regulation.
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What the hell are you talking about? UT didn't throw the ball in the 2nd half, just read this site. All we did was run the ball.
 
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AllVolForLife_16 said:
People also forget about Ellis dropping the sure handed TD right in his hands, which would've likely won us the game by the end of regulation.
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Or Hurd fumbling it to push us out of FG position (would have made the game 20-3 and a 3 possession game). There were mistakes by the whole team, not just the coaching staff. There is no point in complaining about it now. Lets look forward to a great bowl game and improve as a team! Go Vols :rock:
 
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VKAman said:
Writing off every coaching blunder as "well, everyone makes mistakes" over and over and over is even more stupid.
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Every coach makes mistakes though. No need to throw out the baby with the bath water. When the talent gets to a certain point, those mistakes are less evident.
 
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titansvolsfaninga said:
Every coach makes mistakes though. No need to throw out the baby with the bath water. When the talent gets to a certain point, those mistakes are less evident.
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Bama did not "throw out" Saban after the "Kick Six" that Auburn returned a couple of years back. Obviously losing to Aub's is excruciating to Bammer's, plus it kept them from a shot at a NC.

Every coach is going to make poor in game decisions at times, such as attempting a very long range field goal, which could be blocked and returned for 6, or not preparing your kick team to expect a return of a short field goal. It happens even to the best of them.
 
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titansvolsfaninga said:
Every coach makes mistakes though. No need to throw out the baby with the bath water. When the talent gets to a certain point, those mistakes are less evident.
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ALLVOL24/7/365 said:
Every coach is going to make poor in game decisions at times, such as attempting a very long range field goal, which could be blocked and returned for 6, or not preparing your kick team to expect a return of a short field goal. It happens even to the best of them.
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But not all mistakes are equal. Kicking the extra point up 12 because "a card tells you to," or challenging an onside kick recovery against Mizzou when losing that timeout would literally end the game, aren't the same as trying a really long FG to win a game. Those were decisions that were obviously terrible ones even before they went wrong.
 
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VKAman said:
But not all mistakes are equal. Kicking the extra point up 12 because "a card tells you to," or challenging an onside kick recovery against Mizzou when losing that timeout would literally end the game, aren't the same as trying a really long FG to win a game. Those were decisions that were obviously terrible ones even before they went wrong.
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Saban started Cooper Bateman against Ole Miss, that's a bonehead decision. Like I said, most times talent and depth can cover up coaching deficiencies. If we get a couple of stops, you don't even talk about kicking the extra point instead of going for two.

For the longest people were crying about kicking the field goal instead of going for it on 4th down against OU. Vandy stopped us on 4th down.

Everyone seems like a genius with the advantage of hindsight.
 
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