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Vol knight said:
I wasn't trying to imply that everyone in the FF thought like that. I know there are some reasonable posters that are in the FF. There's also some fringe fans and trolls in there.
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I know. You're right though. We have a few folks who will complain no matter what.
 
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While everyone emphasized the fact that we led in all our losses, each of those four was a very different story. The Oklahoma game was squandering a big lead against a better team because of a conservative game plan. The UF game was squandering a big lead against an inferior team because of an inability to make crucial stops. The Arkansas game was just getting outplayed by a more physical group. The Alabama game was holding a much better team in check with an opportunity to win it late, but talent ultimately winning out.

It's worth noting that we didn't allow any big time comebacks after UF. Yes, we had a 14-0 lead on Arky, but that was early and after EB doing what EB does on a kickoff. Alabama was a one point lead. We almost screwed up the South Carolina game, but unlike against UF and OU, we found a way to get it done when things seemed to be turning against us. That, to me, is a sign that the staff learned lessons from those early two fourth quarter meltdowns.

And, really, the UF game was very different in my mind from OU. We played conservative as we could the second half against the Sooners. I felt like the game plan against Florida was considerably more aggressive; we just failed to make a stop when we had to. You can quibble with a call here, a call there in the Florida game, but it was a different story than with Oklahoma. That, again, points to growth and adaptation.
 
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engineerVOL said:
@FootballScoop: At Tennessee, sources tell FootballScoop the administration is working on an extension (w raise) for Butch Jones https://t.co/sNnVtycOD5
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I guess if Hart is confident that Butch is going to take that next step next year, why wait, but I would have liked to see Butch earn that next pay raise with a championship.

I can see going ahead and paying him now and not allowing any ill will to begin to form as I think he is what they 12th highest paid coach in the SEC?
 
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Was just thinking how important Von Pearson was to us this year.

We almost didn't have him due to the rape allegations. And that would have left us without our top 4 receivers this year. He's been clutch.
 
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GoBigOrange86 said:
While everyone emphasized the fact that we led in all our losses, each of those four was a very different story. The Oklahoma game was squandering a big lead against a better team because of a conservative game plan. The UF game was squandering a big lead against an inferior team because of an inability to make crucial stops. The Arkansas game was just getting outplayed by a more physical group. The Alabama game was holding a much better team in check with an opportunity to win it late, but talent ultimately winning out.

It's worth noting that we didn't allow any big time comebacks after UF. Yes, we had a 14-0 lead on Arky, but that was early and after EB doing what EB does on a kickoff. Alabama was a one point lead. We almost screwed up the South Carolina game, but unlike against UF and OU, we found a way to get it done when things seemed to be turning against us. That, to me, is a sign that the staff learned lessons from those early two fourth quarter meltdowns.

And, really, the UF game was very different in my mind from OU. We played conservative as we could the second half against the Sooners. I felt like the game plan against Florida was considerably more aggressive; we just failed to make a stop when we had to. You can quibble with a call here, a call there in the Florida game, but it was a different story than with Oklahoma. That, again, points to growth and adaptation.
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Good post. I generally agree. I do feel that Arky would have been toast had they beat UF. Our guys were beat up and emotionally spent after losing and their HC getting skewered nationally for his game day decision making. I also feel the second half of UF was greatly influenced by overly conservative play calling on offense that forced the D to play too many snaps. But as to the actual games being played 10-2 sounds like the optimum for this season. Had it not been a trap game to Bama they would have put our guys away earlier IMO.

The dumb loss to Okie set the tone. But it may turn out to be a huge blessing for the future. The team and coaches matured greatly as they worked their way through the gauntlet. They finished well. That's the sign of a high character program.
 
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engineerVOL said:
Was just thinking how important Von Pearson was to us this year.

We almost didn't have him due to the rape allegations. And that would have left us without our top 4 receivers this year. He's been clutch.
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He's the one that kept THE DRIVE versus Georgia alive with a catch off his back. Kid has great hands. Wouldn't be surprised if he makes an NFL roster. He's much more of a pro style receiver.
 
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Ericvol2096 said:
I guess if Hart is confident that Butch is going to take that next step next year, why wait, but I would have liked to see Butch earn that next pay raise with a championship.

I can see going ahead and paying him now and not allowing any ill will to begin to form as I think he is what they 12th highest paid coach in the SEC?
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I agree, I would as well. But with the market being what it is today, in reality I don't think he has a choice.
 
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The Breakerboy said:
He's the one that kept THE DRIVE versus Georgia alive with a catch off his back. Kid has great hands. Wouldn't be surprised if he makes an NFL roster. He's much more of a pro style receiver.
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Yes. Runs good routes to go with what you stated. He will get open and catch it at the next level.
 
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OV says coach Z is not going anywhere. I think he's the one that needs to go somewhere else the most. I suspect Butch's comments after the Vandy game about Coach Z helping punt returns has something to do with him setting up Coach Z staying
 
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Random early thoughts on next year:

Vincent Perry will be big for us

I feel like in the offseason Evan Berry will get a few looks on offense

We will lead the SEC in rushing

Kyle Phillips will be starting by the end of the year

We will lead the SEC in sacks

Ethan Wolf will have a high draft grade by the end of year, despite the fact he is SEVERELY underutilized

11-1
 
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jordan4vols said:
OV says coach Z is not going anywhere. I think he's the one that needs to go somewhere else the most. I suspect Butch's comments after the Vandy game about Coach Z helping punt returns has something to do with him setting up Coach Z staying
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Hmm. The only thing I can think of is that Butch is confident we can win games without needing home-run threats at WR, and that Z brings enough to the table in other areas that him being somewhat of a liability for his position group is worth the trade-off.
 
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With all this rain in East TN lately, can you imagine what the skating rink would have been like if there was another home game to be played? lol.
 
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Aesius said:
Hmm. The only thing I can think of is that Butch is confident we can win games without needing home-run threats at WR, and that Z brings enough to the table in other areas that him being somewhat of a liability for his position group is worth the trade-off.
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That's the way he always thinks with his coaches. He is loyal to a fault, IMO. Maybe he knows more about what Z dealt with than the rest of the world. Only explanation that I can think of at the moment.
 
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I thought Butch called out Azzani in front of the players- guess he got his stuff together after all. Looked like he was one foot out the door. The WRs have improved lately just thought that was Butch working with them.
 
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Without making a statement on the Brady/Peyton debate (don't know that it's really even clear either way)...

It kills me how people point to championships in a TEAM sport as a clear marker of superiority.

If it was boxing/fighting/golfing/tennis, etc...then sure, you can make a definitive argument of who is better than whom. But otherwise, team sports are won/lost as a collective (including coaching, too), not individually.
 
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Vols4us said:
That's the way he always thinks with his coaches. He is loyal to a fault, IMO. Maybe he knows more about what Z dealt with than the rest of the world. Only explanation that I can think of at the moment.
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Maybe the fact that we only had 3 SEC caliber WRs healthy. Well plus JJ made 4 but true freshman. Benefit of the doubt.
 
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Seeing talks on Twitter about the Titans potentially trading a 1st round pick to the Eagles for Chip Kelly.

What say you Titans nation?
 
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