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Gramps said:
If you are saying that there has only been 2 right wing extremist attacks in the last 16 years you need to check your facts.
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Abortion attacks..

You're more likely to be murdered during a summer in Chicago than in 20 years by a "right wing" type.
 
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FLVOL_79 said:
Abortion attacks..

You're more likely to be murdered during a summer in Chicago than in 20 years by a "right wing" type.
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And you're more likely to be killed by your local police department, lightning, your bathtub, or a house fire than being killed by one of these "radical jihadist refugees"
 
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G0 BIG 0RANGE said:
And you're more likely to be killed by your local police department, lightning, your bathtub, or a house fire than being killed by one of these "radical jihadist refugees"
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I'm white bro.

But actually muslim terror attacks kill more people per year than lightning. 30 deaths a year on average in the US..times 196 countries and thats a real liberal estimate...but yeah :good!:
 
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ClearwaterVol said:
The unfettered ability to purchase guns certainly haven't prevented these crimes.
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It is more fettered than it was when I grew up, and almost nobody shot up stuff then. I could go in an army surplus store, and buy an M1 Carbine, and fill out no paperwork when I was a kid.
 
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FLVOL_79 said:
Abortion attacks..

You're more likely to be murdered during a summer in Chicago than in 20 years by a "right wing" type.
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You cannot limit right wing attacts to abortion clinic attacks. There has actually been about twice as many killed by right wing groups than jihadist groups on US Soil since 9/11.
 
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FLVOL_79 said:
I'm white bro.

But actually muslim terror attacks kill more people per year than lightning. 30 deaths a year on average in the US..times 196 countries and thats a real liberal estimate...but yeah :good!:
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I had to be the one but source.

You are finding different numbers than I am.
 
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Gramps said:
You cannot limit right wing attacts to abortion clinic attacks. There has actually been about twice as many killed by right wing groups than jihadist groups on US Soil since 9/11.
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I'm not limiting it.

But why concentrate on after 9/11? Lets go back to I dunno, 1990.. Guess who the problem still is? And lets not forget the Americans journalists and aid workers beheaded overseas..
 
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Gramps said:
I had to be the one but source.

You are finding different numbers than I am.
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NWS (national weather service) has 26 deaths this year from lightning. NWS Lightning Fatalities

I rounded to 30 and just multiplied it by 196 countries that exist in the world. Muslim terror attacks have claimed 6000+ this year and lightning on a very liberal estimate is 5880. I am sure my lightning death estimate is grossly overestimated though. Florida is the lightning capital of the world and we only got 5 deaths this year.

I will say though Boko harem murdered like 2000 people earlier this year in a single town and that is definitely larger than normal muslim mass killing. Maybe without that Lightning wins the kill count? Who knows.
 
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FLVOL_79 said:
I'm white bro.

But actually muslim terror attacks kill more people per year than lightning. 30 deaths a year on average in the US..times 196 countries and thats a real liberal estimate...but yeah :good!:
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Police kill more white people, but we make up 60% of the population and I would assume most of the criminals, so that is to be expected.

While lightning related deaths are down overall, the claim that an average of 30 Americans dying every year to Muslim terrorists in the U.S. is ludicrous, considering 9/11 skews the hell out of that number.
 
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FLVOL_79 said:
NWS (national weather service) has 26 deaths this year from lightning. NWS Lightning Fatalities

I rounded to 30 and just multiplied it by 196 countries that exist in the world. Muslim terror attacks have claimed 6000+ this year and lightning on a very liberal estimate is 5880. I am sure my lightning death estimate is grossly overestimated though. Florida is the lightning capital of the world and we only got 5 deaths this year.

I will say though Boko harem murdered like 2000 people earlier this year in a single town and that is definitely larger than normal muslim mass killing. Maybe without that Lightning wins the kill count? Who knows.
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If you're talking about worldwide, then yes, I imagine more people have died to terrorism than lightning strikes. I was talking about in the U.S.
 
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G0 BIG 0RANGE said:
If you're talking about worldwide, then yes, I imagine more people have died to terrorism than lightning strikes. I was talking about in the U.S.
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Yeah man I was talking worldwide. Thankfully keeping the muslims fighting among themselves for the past 14 years has limited the amount they can kill here at home.
I think since 9/11 its like 28 killed by muslims and around 50 by "right wing" groups.
 
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FLVOL_79 said:
Yeah man I was talking worldwide. Thankfully keeping the muslims fighting among themselves for the past 14 years has limited the amount they can kill here at home.
I think since 9/11 its like 28 killed by muslims and around 50 by "right wing" groups.
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I gotcha.
 
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Gramps said:
You cannot limit right wing attacts to abortion clinic attacks. There has actually been about twice as many killed by right wing groups than jihadist groups on US Soil since 9/11.
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While that number is inexcusable, it is still much fewer than the number killed by left-wing attacks annually in Chicago alone.
 
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FLVOL_79 said:
I'm not limiting it.

But why concentrate on after 9/11? Lets go back to I dunno, 1990.. Guess who the problem still is? And lets not forget the Americans journalists and aid workers beheaded overseas..
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The problem is still with Jihadist and right wing extremist. A terrorist attack is terrible regardless of who the attacker is. The jihadist have killed more people on American soil and definitely worldwide than right wing nuts over a longer period. That does not make those killed by the right wing groups less dead.

This latest shooting on Colorado was a terrible act. If the shooter had been an Islamic Extremist the talk and news reports about it would be 100% different than they are now. Because the shooter is a home grown white guy, most Americans look at it differently. It is still an act of terrorism.

While the Islamic Extremist are a much larger problem we also have a problem in the United States with the right wing extremist groups. Since 9/11 we have had 20 documented Right Wing attacks on US Soil killing 51 (including 3 dead in this latest shooting). During the same amount of time we have had 7 jihadist attacks on US Soil killing 26. Both groups are deadly.

These numbers came from below linked article and I added the latest shooting to it.


Homegrown Extremism: Deadly Attacks Since 9/11 | The International Security Program
 
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#96
So when Obama attempts to confiscate guns, what will happen? Will people stand up and fight, or will they roll over? And yes, he is going to make an attempt to come for guns.
 
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#97
Gramps said:
The problem is still with Jihadist and right wing extremist. A terrorist attack is terrible regardless of who the attacker is. The jihadist have killed more people on American soil and definitely worldwide than right wing nuts over a longer period. That does not make those killed by the right wing groups less dead.

This latest shooting on Colorado was a terrible act. If the shooter had been an Islamic Extremist the talk and news reports about it would be 100% different than they are now. Because the shooter is a home grown white guy, most Americans look at it differently. It is still an act of terrorism.

While the Islamic Extremist are a much larger problem we also have a problem in the United States with the right wing extremist groups. Since 9/11 we have had 20 documented Right Wing attacks on US Soil killing 51 (including 3 dead in this latest shooting). During the same amount of time we have had 7 jihadist attacks on US Soil killing 26. Both groups are deadly.

These numbers came from below linked article and I added the latest shooting to it.


Homegrown Extremism: Deadly Attacks Since 9/11 | The International Security Program
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Thats where I got my numbers from.

Here in Orlando more pedestrians are killed by cars driven by non English speakers in a year than right wing terror group killings in 15 years.

Ban..cars?
 
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