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Sometimes the truth is hard to handle and not hearing it is better. That's fine but this isn't the 1990s anymore. We are nothing more than a punch line right now.

Is that changing? You are damn right it is but it hasn't yet and we aren't even a top half program in our conference.

It sucks but it's damn true
 
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BruinVol said:
Va Tech is 3rd or 4th best job in the ACC while Tenn is 6th best job in Sec
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This is debatable. FSU and Clemson are definitely the top jobs in the ACC, but there are strong arguments to be made for UNC, GT, and Miami being better jobs than VT by virtue of their recruiting bases alone. If any of those schools brought in someone who can really coach and recruit, they'd have as easy a path to the playoffs as anybody in the country.

Edit: Virginia puts out some good prospects as well, but there's so much talent near Atlanta and South Florida that you could recruit other top school's leftovers and still have top 3-4 talent in the ACC.
 
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Darth_Shiveman said:
This is debatable. FSU and Clemson are definitely the top jobs in the ACC, but there are strong arguments to be made for UNC, GT, and Miami being better jobs than VT by virtue of their recruiting bases alone. If any of those schools brought in someone who can really coach and recruit, they'd have as easy a path to the playoffs as anybody in the country.
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I agree which makes those jobs pretty darn appealing IMO
 
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Bomani Jones said today he had UGA ahead of LSU, but he also had Alabama behind both in terms of best jobs. He pointed to the fact that Louisiana always has talent, and there is no one else in state to compete with. Said you can also easily pull kids from Texas, Mississippi, Alabama, and even Florida and Georgia.

I don't know where he ranks the other schools in the conference. Just mentioned those 3.
 
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volatil said:
Lol

You like to argue
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That dude is an idiot we've been landing better classes than most of that list for a reason. Last year's class not being ranked No.1 was all politics/media driven. A competent coach can recruit here. Tennessee is very attractive and always has been. Teams just underachieved. But Butch, Fulmer, Majors, and Kiffin all recruited good here. That's not just a coincidence....
 
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BruinVol said:
How in the hell does anyone here have any argument we are ahead of any of these programs?

Bama
Lsu
Florida
Georgia
Auburn
A&M



A&M is the closest for sure but the recruiting territory breaks any ties there might be


Wake up people. Right now we aren't an elite program
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The only difference between us and Bama is Nick Saban.

College football is all about recruiting and right now proximity to talent is the biggest draw for recruiting since everyone plays on national TV.

The top jobs in the SEC are:

1. LSU/Georgia/Florida
2. Texas A&M
3. Alabama/Tennessee/Auburn
4. The rest
 
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31VFL said:
Bomani Jones said today he had UGA ahead of LSU, but he also had Alabama behind both in terms of best jobs. He pointed to the fact that Louisiana always has talent, and there is no one else in state to compete with. Said you can also easily pull kids from Texas, Mississippi, Alabama, and even Florida and Georgia.

I don't know where he ranks the other schools in the conference. Just mentioned those 3.
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I agree with him. Georgia, LSU, and Florida are the top 3 jobs in the SEC. Everyone else including Bama falls behind em. And if you disagree just remember what bama was like before Saban.
 
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BruinVol said:
I agree which makes those jobs pretty darn appealing IMO
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Well in the context of the VT vs UT discussion, you were saying VT is top 4 in their conference and UT is middle of the pack. So we don't really agree on that.

I do agree with you that there are plenty of upsides and factors to many ACC jobs that could make many of those jobs more appealing than SEC counterparts though.

I think the ego factor is big too though. Real competitors wanna beat the best. And I don't think there are many who could make it to the highest level of college coaching without having one hell of a competitive streak. It doesn't hurt that even the mid/low tier SEC schools are willing to fork over more money than their counterparts in other conferences, either.
 
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BruinVol said:
Perhaps I am the only one that finds it odd a coach that is never anything but a robot is talking about a discussion he and his wife have had about how much this job is aging him.

Just seems odd. If that makes me a drama queen then so be it but when a robot shows some real life qualities my ears perk up
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So maybe he isn't just a robot?
 
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BruinVol said:
And statements like that might very well
Mean he is rethinking that choice
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Dude, quit stirring the pot! My word...it gets old! Do you seriously think he's about to leave this gold mine that he has put his blood, sweat, and tears into to build?? Seriously! He is about to reap major benefits from his hard work, and if he can start winning big next year after finishing off 2 more wins this year, his job will get a lot easier, especially on the recruiting trail.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
The only difference between us and Bama is Nick Saban.

College football is all about recruiting and right now proximity to talent is the biggest draw for recruiting since everyone plays on national TV.

The top jobs in the SEC are:

1. LSU/Georgia/Florida
2. Texas A&M
3. Alabama/Tennessee/Auburn
4. The rest
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I agree with you, but I think Ole Miss needs to be in that 3rd tier as well. Mississippi's talent pool is on or with or better than Tennessee's and Alabama's. Plus they're close enough to Memphis to have a lot of pull there as well.

Simply put, there's really not much besides the coach they've currently got employed to really separate any of those programs. Facilities and all the other things will follow at those schools if they have a coach that can win.
 
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Lol...click on this thread this morning and see I'm 3 pages behind (at 50 posts per page), so I'm thinking "wow, must be some juicy news that happened later on last night". Nope, just Bruin involved once again in another one of his useless "discussions". Hey Bruin, if CBJ stays on Rocky Top and doesn't take one of these big-time coaching vacancies, how about you take a long sabbatical from VN until your possible scenario plays out of CBJ leaving because this job is too stressful? Sounds fair to me.
 
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Being the east division helps make Tennessee attractive too, I think, relative to teams in the west. Plus, we are not that far from some very fertile recruiting grounds in neighboring states. Sometimes people talk about Tennessee like its Nebraska in terms of recruiting base and that's just not true.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
I agree with him. Georgia, LSU, and Florida are the top 3 jobs in the SEC. Everyone else including Bama falls behind em. And if you disagree just remember what bama was like before Saban.
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How's Bama behind Florida? You compete with FSU and Miami for the top talent. Being honest Bama gets whoever they want in Alabama and it's always been like that. Saban's first few championship teams were built on homegrown talent.
 
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vol2002 said:
Being the east division helps make Tennessee attractive too, I think, relative to teams in the west. Plus, we are not that far from some very fertile recruiting grounds in neighboring states. Sometimes people talk about Tennessee like its Nebraska in terms of recruiting base and that's just not true.
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I agree with this. With factors like the talent being produced in the Nashville area, our proximity to Atlanta, the fact that we've begun getting back into the Carolinas. There's a pretty significant population of football talent in that radius.
 
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Thank god I went to bed early.
1st Beamer made it to the title game because of one word "Vick".
2nd LSU is a better job than FSU because it's a winning program in the SEC with a rich recruiting base. FSU is in a basketball conference. If you are a college football coach who wants to be the best, come to the SEC and play the best.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
I agree with him. Georgia, LSU, and Florida are the top 3 jobs in the SEC. Everyone else including Bama falls behind em. And if you disagree just remember what bama was like before Saban.
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I don't think jones will leave for va tech or any other job but I don't think the possibility is as preposterous as this board thinks.

Saying Bama isn't the top program in the SEC is preposterous. I would say winning an natty in every decade since the 60s with the exception of the 80s qualifys as more than around Saban.
 
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