Missouri Players Go On Strike (merged)

[ClearwaterVol]

And what about the other thousands of athletes that are on a full ride that might not have the opportunity to get an education otherwise? Baseball, track, gymnastics, soccer, wrestling...I could go on listing the amount of NCAA sanctioned sports that receive partial or full benefits, but I won't since I'd hope you get the point.

Your singular scope of looking at just football in this supposed "inherently racist education system" just smacks of your ignorance of the matter at hand. These universities do make a crapton of money off these athletes. Yet also bend over backwards most of the time to accommodate their needs. They get the best medical care, the best food, great living conditions and colleges do their damnedest to make sure they keep their grades up in order to keep playing and generating money for that school.

But you go on thinking these athletes are downtrodden victims of racist policy while the universities swim in the money they make.

So the football and basketball players pay for the scholarships of the rest of the athletic scholarships?

 

[volinbham]

Is there a reason that an across the board study shouldn't be fairly balanced or does your question imply that white students have access to better schooling?

I never said they don't have better access to schooling. I addressed that in a previous post. Better or worse access to schooling isn't racist. It is a condition. It's not that people don't want AAs to have good educations. There are real, complicated issues that prevent the school access from being equalized - there has been no lack of trying.

Likewise, poor white kids, Hispanic kids, etc have worse schools than suburban kids (white and black).

Labeling this stuff as RACISM avoids finding solutions and suggests if whitey would just change his attitude all would be fine.

 

[the6chambers]

My brother, who's currently in a doctoral program at Missouri, said he doesn't think the president will still be there after Wednesday. Apparently, things are moving swiftly behind the scenes.

I don't think this will have any effect on the football game when the time comes.

 

[hog88]

It presupposes that the unemployed black college graduate took a worthless degree program. Sounds racist to me.

Good thing my daughters friend didn't see it that way Saturday.

 

[tumscalcium]

Your point is a deflection that the right uses.
Whites commit 70% or more of those crimes period.

That means they commit the majority.

Whites commit 88 % of crime versus whites.

If you are white a white person is way more dangerous to you than a black person.

Its not a shock when crime rates are higher for improvished people. Black and white people in the same income brackets have similar crime rates.

Lol. Wut?

 

[fort_vol]

And what about the other thousands of athletes that are on a full ride that might not have the opportunity to get an education otherwise? Baseball, track, gymnastics, soccer, wrestling...I could go on listing the amount of NCAA sanctioned sports that receive partial or full benefits, but I won't since I'd hope you get the point.

Your singular scope of looking at just football in this supposed "inherently racist education system" just smacks of your ignorance of the matter at hand. These universities do make a crapton of money off these athletes. Yet also bend over backwards most of the time to accommodate their needs. They get the best medical care, the best food, great living conditions and colleges do their damnedest to make sure they keep their grades up in order to keep playing and generating money for that school.

But you go on thinking these athletes are downtrodden victims of racist policy while the universities swim in the money they make.

The university invests in these athletes because they serve as cash-cows for the school. Without a football or basketball program succeeding most colleges couldn't afford any other varsity sports.

That "academic help" you speak of often equates to the university cheating the athlete out of an education. Putting pressure on teachers to lower expectations, hiring tutors to write papers, or even making up fake classes.

 

[jblank]

And you are assuming they do know it doesn't matter...

Yes, I am. So you're contending they actually believe that the college President being removed is somehow going to make a couple of people that allegedly made racist comments, all of the sudden turn into decent human beings? Perhaps I'm misunderstanding what you're saying, but I have a hard time believing they actually think the college President going is justifiable in the face of an alleged off-campus incident and another isolated incident. They are actually demanding the President acknowledge his "white privilege".......I mean, come on, this isn't about anything more than forced speech codes and punishing him for alleged incidents by others.

 

[volinbham]

Do you know what racism actually means?

It seems not.

 

[ClearwaterVol]

I never said they don't have better access to schooling. I addressed that in a previous post. Better or worse access to schooling isn't racist. It is a condition. It's not that people don't want AAs to have good educations. There are real, complicated issues that prevent the school access from being equalized - there has been no lack of trying.

Likewise, poor white kids, Hispanic kids, etc have worse schools than suburban kids (white and black).

Labeling this stuff as RACISM avoids finding solutions and suggests if whitey would just change his attitude all would be fine.

I agree. It's not all racism. I have never claimed that it was, but there is still a race component to many issues that many people would like to ignore.

We've made tremendous progress in a relatively short period of time, but the job is not near complete.

 

[volinbham]

The university invests in these athletes because they serve as cash-cows for the school. Without a football or basketball program succeeding most colleges couldn't afford any other varsity sports.

That "academic help" you speak of often equates to the university cheating the athlete out of an education. Putting pressure on teachers to lower expectations, hiring tutors to write papers, or even making up fake classes.

Virtually none of this is true. Most universities lose money on athletics even football so it is not a cash cow except in a limited number of cases.

Most of the academic help is legit and in over 20 years of teaching at schools with D1 sports I can recall ever being pressured to lower standards for athletes in my classes.

 

[k-town_king]

No one is saying Racism doesn't exist. We're saying that its not systematic.

Also, I know that when I get my masters and begin teaching, I wouldn't want to teach in a school where I was likely to get disrespected every day by my students and possibly get into a physical altercation with one because they did not respect the authority of the teacher.

Most drug users and sellers are white. Most incarcerated for drug offenses are black. That's one but example with plenty of research and data behind it.

If you all ready think like this don't deserve to teach. You can't prejudge kids by the area their school is in.

 

[jblank]

My brother, who's currently in a doctoral program at Missouri, said he doesn't think the president will still be there after Wednesday. Apparently, things are moving swiftly behind the scenes.

I don't think this will have any effect on the football game when the time comes.

I agree, he's as good as gone. The mob mentality always wins in these situations. In America today, all it takes to get rid of someone is for certain groups to get angry at you. Once that happens, it's game over.

 

[volinbham]

I agree. It's not all racism. I have never claimed that it was, but there is still a race component to many issues that many people would like to ignore.

We've made tremendous progress in a relatively short period of time, but the job is not near complete.

I would counter and say there's many that want to insert a racism component where it doesn't exist.

 

[volunteer2]

It is what it is. Yank their scholarships, kick them out of school and kick them out of the SEC. There is no reason to do this to their fans and season ticket holders. The SEC does not need this kind of attention and the upcoming games are affected as well. These kids have a right to protest but they should find another way, without screwing up other innocent peoples plans.

 

[CNCVol88]

I agree. It's not all racism. I have never claimed that it was, but there is still a race component to many issues that many people would like to ignore.

We've made tremendous progress in a relatively short period of time, but the job is not near complete.

We have made great strides and the only thing stopping minorities in this country are themselves. I'm not going to go on record saying institutional racism is dead in the country as a whole because I don't think it's hard to believe that there are pockets of it in places but racism is largely an individual issue that collectivists try to show as collectives.

 

[volfanbill]

Once again Butchna has no clue what he's talking about. Just another day on VN.

 

[Catbone]

I agree, he's as good as gone. The mob mentality always wins in these situations. In America today, all it takes to get rid of someone is for certain groups to get angry at you. Once that happens, it's game over.

If you don't agree with me you are a racist.

-America

 

[CNCVol88]

Most drug users and sellers are white. Most incarcerated for drug offenses are black. That's one but example with plenty of research and data behind it.

If you all ready think like this don't deserve to teach. You can't prejudge kids by the area their school is in.

I never said I would prejudice kids by their area. I said I would by their actions.

 

[ClearwaterVol]

I would counter and say there's many that want to insert a racism component where it doesn't exist.

Why does a black defendant get a sentence that is, on average, 10% longer than a white defendant for identical crimes?

 

[k-town_king]

Lol. Wut?

I guess you don't understand math. Whites commit 68 to 75 % of those crimes and 88% of crime versus other whites. If you are white you are way more likely to be victimized by a white person.

 

[CNCVol88]

Your point is a deflection that the right uses.
Whites commit 70% or more of those crimes period.

That means they commit the majority.

Whites commit 88 % of crime versus whites.

If you are white a white person is way more dangerous to you than a black person.

Its not a shock when crime rates are higher for improvished people. Black and white people in the same income brackets have similar crime rates.

Per capita Rates are a deflection? You're hilarious.

 

[butchna]

Once again Butchna has no clue what he's talking about. Just another day on VN.

Now you've made it about me!


Stay focused! Live people are depending on you! :rock:

 

[CNCVol88]

Why does a black defendant get a sentence that is, on average, 10% longer than a white defendant for identical crimes?

Factors such as repeat offenders would probably factor into that.

 

[butchna]

If you don't agree with me you are a racist.

-America with foreword by Volfanbill

fyp

 

[fort_vol]

Virtually none of this is true. Most universities lose money on athletics even football so it is not a cash cow except in a limited number of cases.

Most of the academic help is legit and in over 20 years of teaching at schools with D1 sports I can recall ever being pressured to lower standards for athletes in my classes.

Successful football and basketball programs funding Olympic sports seems to be the case at almost all D1 schools.