Missouri Players Go On Strike (merged)

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CNCVol88 said:
Has the "hatred" infringed someone's life, liberty, or property? If no, then I believe the correct response is to let it be and let the students actually confront it instead of whining like babies to the administration.
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I guess a good way to put it is like this

If the institution to which you are spending close to $100k to attend doesn't at least appropriately respond to situations of explicit and malicious hatred toward you or others who check off the same boxes as you on official documents, you begin to feel as if that university doesn't have your best interests at heart.

If some form of hatred took place a year or two ago against a different group and the administration responded immediately, then they should expect the same administration to respond with similar gusto. If these students have noticed an unequal response, then are they wrong to speak up for not only their own well-being, but others that might attend in the future?
 
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CNCVol88 said:
I just don't think you can get an accurate and unbiased story from a white nationalist site and using it as a source does nothing to help your argument.
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With who? you? The other race baiting clowns in this thread that show up to every race related thread? Those rules only work in your world. I personally think it takes a dense person to form their entire argument due to a link that happened to be to a white nationalist site when there are a number of articles for anyone to see with a simple google search. Of course, I forget how easily the average person gets distracted by anything that makes them challenge their beliefs on a topic. But hey, I'll go back to reality and leave you guys to your make believe argument rules.
 
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crusse10 said:
I guess a good way to put it is like this

If the institution to which you are spending close to $100k to attend doesn't at least appropriately respond to situations of explicit and malicious hatred toward you or others who check off the same boxes as you on official documents, you begin to feel as if that university doesn't have your best interests at heart.

If some form of hatred took place a year or two ago against a different group and the administration responded immediately, then they should expect the same administration to respond with similar gusto. If these students have noticed an unequal response, then are they wrong to speak up for not only their own well-being, but others that might attend in the future?
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University is a place where you are expected to hear a variety of ideas and view points. Some of them might not be friendly toward who or what you are and part of becoming an adult is to confront those ideas and challenge them with your own; Not to just run to the administration expecting them to fix everything for you. A person saying mean things only has power over you if you let him or her and if there's one thing I've learned the past year or so, self victimization is all the rage right now. Sometimes your ideas are right and sometimes they're as wrong as trying to remove Thomas Jefferson from your college because the mindset of the world he lived in hurts your fee fees. Furthermore, To kick a student out of the public college for being a raging bigot would be a violation of his first amendment rights imo and should not be tolerated.
 
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CNCVol88 said:
University is a place where you are expected to hear a variety of ideas and view points. Some of them might not be friendly toward who or what you are and part of becoming an adult is to confront those ideas and challenge them with your own; Not to just run to the administration expecting them to fix everything for you. A person saying mean things only has power over you if you let him or her and if there's one thing I've learned the past year or so, self victimization is all the rage right now. Sometimes your ideas are right and sometimes they're as wrong as trying to remove Thomas Jefferson from your college because the mindset of the world he lived in hurts your fee fees. Furthermore, To kick a student out of the public college for being a raging bigot would be a violation of his first amendment rights imo and should not be tolerated.
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I stopped reading at the top, head's up.

Being in a courtyard working on a play or skit or something and having someone walk by and yell N****R at y'all is not "...a variety of ideas and view points, some of them might not be friendly"
 
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CNCVol88 said:
University is a place where you are expected to hear a variety of ideas and view points. Some of them might not be friendly toward who or what you are and part of becoming an adult is to confront those ideas and challenge them with your own; Not to just run to the administration expecting them to fix everything for you. A person saying mean things only has power over you if you let him or her and if there's one thing I've learned the past year or so, self victimization is all the rage right now. Sometimes your ideas are right and sometimes they're as wrong as trying to remove Thomas Jefferson from your college because the mindset of the world he lived in hurts your fee fees. Furthermore, To kick a student out of the public college for being a raging bigot would be a violation of his first amendment rights imo and should not be tolerated.
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I agree with you to an extent, actually. I could not agree more with "victimization is all the rage right now". It's all over the news and everyone throws it out there as a buzzword. It's pathetic. Unfortunately, the Left and other people in this thread fail to see it; and those are the same people that have fallen into the obviously biased media narrative that "whiteys be bad" and "u r oppressed". It's so, so sad.
 
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sanddune50 said:
With who? you? The other race baiting clowns in this thread that show up to every race related thread? Those rules only work in your world. I personally think it takes a dense person to form their entire argument due to a link that happened to be to a white nationalist site when there are a number of articles for anyone to see with a simple google search. Of course, I forget how easily the average person gets distracted by anything that makes them challenge their beliefs on a topic. But hey, I'll go back to reality and leave you guys to your make believe argument rules.
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By anyone who knows what white nationalists think and know they're the mirror image of SJWs. If you're going to have a source, it should be credible and as unbiased as possible. The daily stormer has a clear agenda and motive. They are not a good source for trying to prove a point to someone.
 
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crusse10 said:
I stopped reading at the top, head's up.

Being in a courtyard working on a play or skit or something and having someone walk by and yell N****R at y'all is not "...a variety of ideas and view points, some of them might not be friendly"
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Freshman year of college there was a fire drill at 1 in the morning. My friends and I, being the college freshmen we were, decided to walk down to the strip to get some Krystal because we were hungry. Walking down the strip, a car drives by and the person in the passenger side yells "get the **** outta here whitey". That was the time I turned around and caught a glass bottle right to the head (that the guy in the passenger seat had thrown at me).

You see, it works both ways. Quit putting one group/race on a pedestal. You're lying to yourself and everyone else by doing so.
 
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crusse10 said:
I stopped reading at the top, head's up.

Being in a courtyard working on a play or skit or something and having someone walk by and yell N****R at y'all is not "...a variety of ideas and view points, some of them might not be friendly"
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A student said a mean word. He shouldn't be allowed to do that! Someone Call the PC principal!

They can get pissy or they can grow the **** up and not let mere words from someone seeking to elicit a response get to them.
 
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Boomer_Vol said:
Freshman year of college there was a fire drill at 1 in the morning. My friends and I, being the college freshmen we were, decided to walk down to the strip to get some Krystal because we were hungry. Walking down the strip, a car drives by and the person in the passenger side yells "get the **** outta here whitey". That was the time I turned around and caught a glass bottle right to the head (that the guy in the passenger seat had thrown at me).

You see, it works both ways. Quit putting one group/race on a pedestal. You're lying to yourself and everyone else by doing so.
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Congrats on being hit by a bottle. That adds nothing to the discussion. People at Mizzou believe that their university is not treating them equally to others. They are standing up to the person they believe could have taken different courses of action on several occasions. Even if he just announced (when these things happened) that that's not what the University of Missouri is about, and that there's no way that, in this day and age, something so horrendous should continue to occur, these guys may not be on strike.
 
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CNCVol88 said:
A student said a mean word. He shouldn't be allowed to do that! Someone Call the PC principal!

They can get pissy or they can grow the **** up and not let mere words from someone seeking to elicit a response get to them.
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So the school can't release a statement that racism has no business on their campus, but you can tell them how to react when someone yells slurs at them?

interesting logic
 
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crusse10 said:
Congrats on being hit by a bottle. That adds nothing to the discussion. People at Mizzou believe that their university is not treating them equally to others. They are standing up to the person they believe could have taken different courses of action on several occasions. Even if he just announced (when these things happened) that that's not what the University of Missouri is about, and that there's no way that, in this day and age, something so horrendous should continue to occur, these guys may not be on strike.
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Stopped reading after the first line, just a heads up.

You're so willfully blinding yourself to the truth of this bull**** narrative that it's pathetic. These children are, instead of growing the hell up and saying "alright whatever, doesn't bother me", saying "OMG my feeligz r so hurt pls someone pls fix this for me".

It's sad and ridiculous. People like you are the reason this bull**** narrative keeps getting shoved down our throats; they see from idiots like you that people will actually believe it.
 
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crusse10 said:
Congrats on being hit by a bottle. That adds nothing to the discussion. People at Mizzou believe that their university is not treating them equally to others. They are standing up to the person they believe could have taken different courses of action on several occasions. Even if he just announced (when these things happened) that that's not what the University of Missouri is about, and that there's no way that, in this day and age, something so horrendous should continue to occur, these guys may not be on strike.
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Your definition of horrendous and my definition of horrendous are two completely different things. The only thing horrendous about this whole affair is wanting to remove Thomas Jefferson because of common view points of the time he was alive hurt people's feelings. That's horrendous. Someone having a mean word yelled at them and a poop swastika is stupid piddly ****.
 
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crusse10 said:
So the school can't release a statement that racism has no business on their campus, but you can tell them how to react when someone yells slurs at them?

interesting logic
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Sure the school can issue a statement but they don't have any business policing people's thoughts and speech. Words are just words. You don't even know the that the kid that yelled the word is really a racist. Maybe it was a dare. Who knows. He said some stupid **** and people are butthurt about it.
 
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crusse10 said:
I guess a good way to put it is like this

If the institution to which you are spending close to $100k to attend doesn't at least appropriately respond to situations of explicit and malicious hatred toward you or others who check off the same boxes as you on official documents, you begin to feel as if that university doesn't have your best interests at heart.

If some form of hatred took place a year or two ago against a different group and the administration responded immediately, then they should expect the same administration to respond with similar gusto. If these students have noticed an unequal response, then are they wrong to speak up for not only their own well-being, but others that might attend in the future?
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No, they aren't wrong to speak up, but because they speak up doesn't make their demands appropriate or absolute.

Can they even point to a person or group of persons who would be defendants of the allegations? It seems like an important piece of information if one was looking for justice.

The demands listed are so outlandish it smells of an insincere PR stunt.
 
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DC_Vol said:
No, they aren't wrong to speak up, but because they speak up doesn't make their demands appropriate or absolute.

Can they even point to a person or group of persons who would be defendants of the allegations? It seems like an important piece of information if one was looking for justice.

The demands listed are so outlandish it smells of an insincere PR stunt.
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I'm only responding to the calls for resignation of the president of the university. From the sound of it, that's the only demand the athletes have. Seems like other students are the ones calling for all the extra stuff. If he handled the issues mentioned in the ESPN article as poorly as it seems that he did, he should not be in charge of a flagship land grant institution.
 
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CNCVol88 said:
Sure the school can issue a statement but they don't have any business policing people's thoughts and speech. Words are just words. You don't even know the that the kid that yelled the word is really a racist. Maybe it was a dare. Who knows. He said some stupid **** and people are butthurt about it.
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Look, I'm not saying that Mizzou should kick the student out of the university. I'm simply saying that responding to racial hatred on campus is something that the administration must do. Not responding hurts literally everybody (except, I guess, the racists). It hurts those who were verbally assaulted. It hurts the reputation of the school. It hurts their ability to bring in new students.
 
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Just heard on the radio that apparently all of Mizzou's black players are boycotting all football related activities until their president, Tim Wolfe, resigns. What the hell is going on up there?
 
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Racism is wrong. Racism takes many positions. The actions of racially divided students are as racist as the issues cited. Until people are people instead of some hyphenated title, there will be division. Some groups feed on division. Some groups feed on victimization and sensationalism. The article cited 42 of the 64 player depth chart as "hyphenated" people. In reality all 64 are people ... period.
 
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