Better recruiting form a new head coach???

#2
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NEYLANDHOUNDAWGS said:
Do you guys think if we hire another head coach we would boost our talent?

If so, who?
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Recruits are sceptical unless the coach is proven. No idea who the guy would be, but he had better be one heck of a recruiter.
 
#3
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I honestly think the talent is here, but we don't improve the players that we do have.

Look at E. Berry. The best tackler on the team as a freshman. The coaches didn't teach him how to tackle he's just that good.

Heffny has been with our coaches 4 years and still doesn't have a clue how to tackle.

We need a good developer more than recruiter. Look at the '05 class. #1 in the country and we havn't got crap out of it.

It doesn't matter if we get the players, we gotta
develop them.

UT will always be able to recruit no matter who is here.

Look at Phil, what so attractive about him to a recruit ?
I'd say nothing. It's the University not the coach.(in our case)
 
#4
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NEW COACH said:
I honestly think the talent is here, but we don't improve the players that we do have.

Look at E. Berry. The best tackler on the team as a freshman. The coaches didn't teach him how to tackle he's just that good.

Heffny has been with our coaches 4 years and still doesn't have a clue how to tackle.

We need a good developer more than recruiter. Look at the '05 class. #1 in the country and we havn't got crap out of it.

It doesn't matter if we get the players, we gotta
develop them.

UT will always be able to recruit no matter who is here.

Look at Phil, what so attractive about him to a recruit ?
I'd say nothing. It's the University not the coach.(in our case)
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Point well taken. You would have to agree that recruiting will be a little harder now with Satan, Meyer,Spurrier and the rest of these snake oil salesmen around.
 
#5
#5
Fulmer can't compete with Meyer and Saban on the field so we will lose a lot of guys to them.

Fulmer is supposed to be known for his recruiting.
Fulmer's class this year bombed and it's not like it matters because he can't develop anyone anyway.

We need someone who develops players.
 
#6
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It isn't directly CPF's job to develop guys... even if it were admitted that UT didn't develop talent. But it is moot because UT DOES develop talent. If you wanted to pick on someone... It would almost have to be Chavis but alot of you have a hero worship of him.

To answer the OP: That is why I think it is safer to see if CPF can complete the turnaround than playing the coaching carousel. CPF has a great record.

The bad losses to UF and Bama didn't help but otherwise no recruit is going to be completely unimpressed with a 10-4 record that includes a 7 pt loss to the NC in the SECCG. I'm sure UT's staff asked kids who played LSU better, UT or tOSU?

UT will always be able to recruit no matter who is here.
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That is a terribly false statement... Don't believe it? Alabama and Georgia produce much more talent than Tn yet they both went through a series of coaches that couldn't get the best of it.

UT is much, much harder to recruit to than either of those schools. There are few coaches that can recruit that well and if CPF were gone there's no guarantee that any of them would want to come to K'ville.
 
#7
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NEW COACH said:
Fulmer can't compete with Meyer and Saban on the field so we will lose a lot of guys to them.

Fulmer is supposed to be known for his recruiting.
Fulmer's class this year bombed and it's not like it matters because he can't develop anyone anyway.

We need someone who develops players.
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What about Chavis, shouldn't he recruit too??
 
#8
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VOLNBAMA said:
What about Chavis, shouldn't he recruit too??
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The defense is his responsibility you would think he would go after the best players he can get. We've had some good recruits on defense over the years but how many were kids he brought in?
 
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NEW COACH said:
Fulmer can't compete with Meyer and Saban on the field so we will lose a lot of guys to them.
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CPF lost to UM by one two years ago. This past year was an anomaly in the series. Let's see what Clawson can do with 9 returning starters and about 17 returnees out of the two deep before we draw this definitive conclusion, OK?

As for Saban, CPF competed very well with him while he was at LSU with more talent... and while CPF was handicapped with Randy Sanders. Again, you are a little premature.

Fulmer is supposed to be known for his recruiting.
Fulmer's class this year bombed
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Why? Because the recruiting svcs didn't award UT's recruits one more star?

I like the recruiting watch. I think the svcs are important and at least somewhat accurate. However one of them even put about 5 of UT's signees on their All-Underrated team.

The ONLY way this class bombed was that they failed to sign 1-2 more DT's and another quality OL.

If it is stars that float your boat then consider that UT had a better star avg than 10 teams ahead of them... and several believe that Wilks, Poole, and maybe a couple of others were underrated. At least two of the state's bigger papers had Wilks as the best player in the state... yet the recruiting svcs snubbed him.

and it's not like it matters because he can't develop anyone anyway.
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That is a ridiculous statement that flies in the face of the facts. UT had four JR's get NFL reviews this year, right? All three were 3*'s coming out of HS. Take your choice, CPF either knows how to find talent that others overlook... or those guys have been developed by UT's coaching staff.

We need someone who develops players.
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UT has that. What they need is 16-50 instate blue chip prospects every year like Alabama, Georgia, Florida, and Louisianna have.
 
#12
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NEW COACH said:
Clean out the whole bunch.

We need 'NEW COACHES'....:p

new blood
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You post like a fickled HS prom queen that always wants the boy she doesn't have.

You have new blood. The whole O staff has changed. I'm not a huge Chavis fan but the fact of the matter is that the last two years have been way out of norm for his D's. If he can get the points per game back down to 20 or under then UT will win the SEC next year... unless Clawson was a huge mistake.

If Clawson was that kind of mistake, you'll get your wish sooner rather than later.
 
#14
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NEW COACH said:
Excuses, excuses, excuses.
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No mo. It is called: reality, reality, reality. One that CPF has successfully dealt with for about 15 years now.

Want to see how tough it is? How's Spurrier doing down at USC? SC produces much more talent year in, year out than Tn. My inlaws live there so I can guarantee that USC fans outnumber Clemson fans at least 2 to 1... yet SS is struggling.

Why NEW COACH? It is his team now. Few have ever taken over a program with more credibility than he had. Why can't he get players to come there? Why can't he win with the ones he gets?

Truth be known... he can't handle the reality that CPF has been handling.

BTW, Clawson's not going to outscore UF's 59.
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Really mo? You know that UF is going to score 59 and that Clawson won't be able to? That's plain moronic. If you truly believe that then you should go support the Gators... you belong with them.
 
#15
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HA HA HA, I say something against you're beloved coach and you just freak out....:eek:lol::eek:lol::eek:lol:

I wonder what would happen if someone said something about yo mama ? :crazy:
 
#16
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NEW COACH said:
Our D is my real concern outside of Fulmer.
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That is a reasonable concern and one I share.

On the positive side, Dan Williams was probably playing the best of any returning DT on the rosters of UF, UT, or UGA at the end of the season. Bolden's slow progress has at least gotten him to the point of being decent compliment. Fisher played well at times but depth is a concern. Hopefully Langley will take up the slack.

The DE's will be a little less experienced but I think the quality will be much better.

LB's should be good and especially if Gerald Williams finally makes it in.

UT should have the best and deepest secondary in the SEC and maybe the nation. It will be a travesty if Berry and Vinson aren't on the pre-season SEC team... and maybe even Willingham. Morley has that kind of quality. Gaines and Johnson return along with Kemp and Rogan. I saw someone write that Faison runs a legit 4.3... if so, he'll be in the mix somewhere.

On the downside: Chavis is still predictable and Slade doesn't seem to be a solid coach. They still play too small IMO- sacrificing size and strength too much for speed. The DL hasn't been good since 2005 when it was great... and it all has to start there.
 
#17
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NEW COACH said:
HA HA HA, I say something against you're beloved coach and you just freak out....:eek:lol::eek:lol::eek:lol:
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No. It is when you say something that isn't true... You have a habit of blurting out unfounded opinions that apparently originate in some cynicism you harbor about the program or CPF.

I have consistently said that CPF should be held to a high standard and removed if he doesn't meet it. The ONLY way that works... and this should be a helpful tip to a "NEW COACH" if that's what you are... is if you stick with the facts and leave feelings to teenage girls.

I wonder what would happen if someone said something about yo mama ? :crazy:
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Nothing if it were true and said respectfully.

I respect people who speak the truth (as determined and supported by facts not bias) even when I don't agree or find it unpleasant. You simply don't have any facts to support your opinions nor do you show balance and respect in the way you state them.
 
#18
#18
Our D concerns me but I think we will be surprised by our D-line.

DT, Bolden, Williams.
DE, Ayers, Martin.

I think there is good potential in those 4.
 
#19
#19
OK. That's alot more like it.

I think you are right.

DE looks even better considering Martin, Walker, and maybe Williams as back ups.

I'm really anxious to see if Langley is as good as advertised. During his recruitment, UT's coaches said they thought he was as good as Marvin Austin.
 
#20
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sjt18 said:
You post like a fickled HS prom queen that always wants the boy she doesn't have.

You have new blood. The whole O staff has changed. I'm not a huge Chavis fan but the fact of the matter is that the last two years have been way out of norm for his D's. If he can get the points per game back down to 20 or under then UT will win the SEC next year... unless Clawson was a huge mistake.

If Clawson was that kind of mistake, you'll get your wish sooner rather than later.
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With Tebow, Moreno and some of the other guys out there that will be hard to do. It would be nice to see that happen for a change.
 
#21
#21
"DE could looks even better considering Martin, Walker, and maybe Williams as back ups. "

Who's Williams ??? G. Williams ?
 
#22
#22
NEW COACH said:
Our D concerns me but I think we will be surprised by our D-line.

DT, Bolden, Williams.
DE, Ayers, Martin.

I think there is good potential in those 4.
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I'm with you there. I think they will make significant improvement which can only help on the d-side.
 
#23
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Oh and DE... Mathis has to show up some day doesn't he? I'd be surprised but one of the recruiting gurus thought that Bohannon could compete early. Johnson? Fowlkes if he wants to get on the field early. Bartholomew?

Walls could also play DE in college.

My overwhelming concern is Thomas and Nelson behind the first 4 at DT.
 
#24
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NEW COACH said:
"DE could looks even better considering Martin, Walker, and maybe Williams as back ups. "

Who's Williams ??? G. Williams ?
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Yes. I want to see him at MLB... but I know what Chavis does. He always plays a guy light at his position. GW would be a big MLB.
 
#25
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KB5252, I think UGA has a good chance to improve but I honestly don't think they'll be that much more "talented" than this year. They played two Fr OL's last year... but also two Sr's. Moreno wasn't a big factor against the Vols... and Stafford has really never shown up against UT.

UF is loaded but a Gator fan I know admitted that they have a simple offense to stop... in concept. All you have to do is get pressure up the middle and play in position on the edges.

If UT's DT's do improve greatly and a dominating MLB emerges out of Donald, Wilson, and Williams then UT could be pretty close to the type of defense that they struggle against (a la LSU and Aub).
 
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