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I'll help you out beast. There would be a difference between "rule of law" and "rule of men" only if the so-called "laws" were written by something other than men.
 
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DEFENDTHISHOUSE said:
I'll help you out beast. There would be a difference between "rule of law" and "rule of men" only if the so-called "laws" were written by something other than men.
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My best friend runs the holocaust museum in Indiana and I have met the oldest living survivor from the Holocaust..... That is tyranny and oppression.....Being thrown in jail bc you want to try your brain with drugs is not even close to the same thing.... I don't feel a society without some form of govt and law will work and you have yet to show how it is possible bc all of your theories have major holes in them. To compare people wanting to do drugs.... Drive drunk... Or any other things that are against the law to what the individuals went through in the holocaust is absolutely disgusting and shows that the cop block crew and those that agree have lost all sense of reality.
 
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volbeast33 said:
My best friend runs the holocaust museum in Indiana and I have met the oldest living survivor from the Holocaust..... That is tyranny and oppression.....Being thrown in jail bc you want to try your brain with drugs is not even close to the same thing.... I don't feel a society without some form of govt and law will work and you have yet to show how it is possible bc all of your theories have major holes in them. To compare people wanting to do drugs.... Drive drunk... Or any other things that are against the law to what the individuals went through in the holocaust is absolutely disgusting and shows that the cop block crew and those that agree have lost all sense of reality.
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It's about obedience to supposed authority. It's authoritarian in its nature. Here, we're told; your money, or your life. Meanwhile, if you rob your neighbors it's a crime. Please tell me the difference. It's taxation and obedience to absurd laws that make this possible.

The point of the video is self defense. Just because someone has a badge, that doesn't allow him/her to have moral authority over another persons life. Especially for the lunacy of the legal code in this country. We're all human, we all have dreams and goals to achieve in our lives. The sticky part is, your dreams and desires better fall within the parameters set by the political ruling class, or you'll be kidnapped, and if you resist, you'll be murdered.

At the end of the day, you cannot start with immoral means and achieve moral ends. Force is force, murder is murder. The only difference is the perceived validity of the laws set by the political ruling class. Just as the video pointed out, history is littered with the bodies of those who blindly obey authority.
 
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DEFENDTHISHOUSE said:
It's about obedience to supposed authority. It's authoritarian in its nature. Here, we're told; your money, or your life. Meanwhile, if you rob your neighbors it's a crime. Please tell me the difference. It's taxation and obedience to absurd laws that make this possible.

The point of the video is self defense. Just because someone has a badge, that doesn't allow him/her to have moral authority over another persons life. Especially for the lunacy of the legal code in this country. We're all human, we all have dreams and goals to achieve in our lives. The sticky part is, your dreams and desires better fall within the parameters set by the political ruling class, or you'll be kidnapped, and if you resist, you'll be murdered.

At the end of the day, you cannot start with immoral means and achieve moral ends. Force is force, murder is murder. The only difference is the perceived validity of the laws set by the political ruling class. Just as the video pointed out, history is littered with the bodies of those who blindly obey authority.
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Who decides that it is immoral? With the amount of people in the US..... Law and order is a needed requirement...... Some laws I don't agree with and I'm sure there are many that you don't agree with....our govt is not perfect nor will any system that is out there..... I feel ours is better than any other option that has been mentioned.....as for the cop block guys advocating people to shoot cops.... Where are the cases of cop block guys shooting cops instead of just running their c&ck suckers.
 
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volbeast33 said:
Seriously?
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I would be curious to know. as well. Just because the level of severity of the Nazis is not the same as these cops of contemporary US, that doesn't mean that our cops do not violate basic human rights with every arrest for eye-rolling, back talking, loose cigarettes, busted taillights, no turn signal, or having some reefer.
 
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volbeast33 said:
My best friend runs the holocaust museum in Indiana and I have met the oldest living survivor from the Holocaust..... That is tyranny and oppression.....Being thrown in jail bc you want to try your brain with drugs is not even close to the same thing.... I don't feel a society without some form of govt and law will work and you have yet to show how it is possible bc all of your theories have major holes in them. To compare people wanting to do drugs.... Drive drunk... Or any other things that are against the law to what the individuals went through in the holocaust is absolutely disgusting and shows that the cop block crew and those that agree have lost all sense of reality.
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We are not Nazi Germany in the United States right now... lets put that on the table and get that out of the way.

However, we are in the process of slowly boiling the crab to where by the time you realize you have lost all of your freedoms, it will be too late.
 
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volbeast33 said:
Who decides that it is immoral? With the amount of people in the US..... Law and order is a needed requirement...... Some laws I don't agree with and I'm sure there are many that you don't agree with....our govt is not perfect nor will any system that is out there..... I feel ours is better than any other option that has been mentioned.....as for the cop block guys advocating people to shoot cops.... Where are the cases of cop block guys shooting cops instead of just running their c&ck suckers.
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That depends on your definition of the word theft. To me, theft is when you take something that doesn't belong to you. However, we have a government that feels it's completely justified in laying unscrupulous hands all over our money in the form of taxation. The government receives their cut before we even get ours (thanks Milton Friedman)
I'm sure you, or someone else will respond by saying that taxation is voluntary, therefore it's not theft. I'll reply by asking you to withhold your taxes this year, and see just how voluntary taxation really is.
Being that this is the case, can't government be likened to a criminal gang that extorts the citizenry? If not, please explain why. Where does this supposed validity come from?

Murder is illegal everywhere, yet when it's called war and law enforcement it's completely fine isn't it? Further, if someone resists the so called authority, they're kidnapped or murdered. How is this legit? Where does this power over human life come from? I don't know your principles, so I won't call them into question, but please explain, how these laws get their validity. Is it because the government has a monopoly on the use of force in a given geographical area? Again, if that's the case, they can be likened to a criminal enterprise, who simply extort the populous.

People respond to most new laws by saying "well, that's the law, we have to follow it." No one ever questions why? Most say, the government gets their perceived validity by the "consent of the governed" if that's the case, what about those who do not consent? Are they just malcontents, freaks, whose rights doesn't matter?

You keep harping on the cop block guys, the video was from Larken Rose. Cop block just added the images.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
We are not Nazi Germany in the United States right now... lets put that on the table and get that out of the way.

However, we are in the process of slowly boiling the crab to where by the time you realize you have lost all of your freedoms, it will be too late.
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It's funny. The notion of freedom has been tainted to the point people actually believe you can be less/more free. Either you're free, or you aren't. There is no in between.

Are we a little free because the government only takes say 30% of our money? What would happen if they decided to take 90%? Hell, they already control and regulate everything we do. What's the difference?
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
We are not Nazi Germany in the United States right now... lets put that on the table and get that out of the way.

However, we are in the process of slowly boiling the crab to where by the time you realize you have lost all of your freedoms, it will be too late.
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Well if you really believed that.... Wouldn't you be trying to do something about it? I don't see anyone trying to fix anything besides making idiotic videos and b&tching online.
 
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DEFENDTHISHOUSE said:
It's funny. The notion of freedom has been tainted to the point people actually believe you can be less/more free. Either you're free, or you aren't. There is no in between.

Are we a little free because the government only takes say 30% of our money? What would happen if they decided to take 90%? Hell, they already control and regulate everything we do. What's the difference?
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I know you mentioned gofundme accounts to try and get a lot of the services we have grown accustom to using.... Everyone complained about booms day going away and wanted something.... The gofundme account raised a whopping 100 dollars..... I do want our govt streamlined( not likely I know) but feel some taxation is a necessary evil.
 
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volbeast33 said:
I know you mentioned gofundme accounts to try and get a lot of the services we have grown accustom to using.... Everyone complained about booms day going away and wanted something.... The gofundme account raised a whopping 100 dollars..... I do want our govt streamlined( not likely I know) but feel some taxation is a necessary evil.
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So you agree with mass theft to pay for the things you want? Call it what it is.
 
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DEFENDTHISHOUSE said:
So you agree with mass theft to pay for the things you want? Call it what it is.
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I agree with everyone working hard and chipping in to secure the services that we require.... It is sad that it takes taxation to get everyone to be a better person and do the right thing.
 
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volbeast33 said:
I agree with everyone working hard and chipping in to secure the services that we require.... It is sad that it takes taxation to get everyone to be a better person and do the right thing.
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You do realize that people would likely be able to give more to charities and others things if they didn't have the albatross of government around their necks taking 30%- 45% of their money?
 
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DEFENDTHISHOUSE said:
You do realize that people would likely be able to give more to charities and others things if they didn't have the albatross of government around their necks taking 30%- 45% of their money?
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Have you ever tried collecting money for anything? It's like pulling teeth..... People seem to have plenty of money for their vices but none for what is needed.
 
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volbeast33 said:
Have you ever tried collecting money for anything? It's like pulling teeth..... People seem to have plenty of money for their vices but none for what is needed.
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Guess what, if someone doesn't want to give their money, that's their choice.

But you advocate using the force of the state to come in and rob people to pay for the things you feel we need.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
I would be curious to know. as well. Just because the level of severity of the Nazis is not the same as these cops of contemporary US, that doesn't mean that our cops do not violate basic human rights with every arrest for eye-rolling, back talking, loose cigarettes, busted taillights, no turn signal, or having some reefer.
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There we go! Loose cigarettes and busted tail lights..... You're the man Ras
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
I don't get how that still isn't a swipe at the dead, but I suppose cops and their supporters are not able to recognize human rights violations.
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I'm still waiting on you to put Mercy on blast as well. I mean, if you're all outraged and stuff, might as well put everyone on your list.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
I don't get how that still isn't a swipe at the dead, but I suppose cops and their supporters are not able to recognize human rights violations.
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Nope the cop supporters as you call them have been tricked by the man to be submissive to the system. You, on the other hand, are the true evil.....you know of the atrocities that the police state imposes and yet does nothing to stop it.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
And people have died because of those trivial offenses, yet you still continue to mock their deaths.
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I'm not mocking their deaths! I'm mocking your broken record ass and how you bring these things up in about every fourth post you make.

Everytime you bring up the cops you post something about loose cigarettes and broken tail lights. It's your signature..... Get it?
 
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