Are people going crazy because they think Oklahoma is a 8-5 football team?

[TAF]

Eddie...the Oklahoma debacle certainly does hurt the overall mood, for sure...

Butch and his attitude going into this game should be exactly what it actually is...a MUST win for Butch to feel secure moving forward as "The Caretaker of Tennessee Football"...otherwise...I feel "The Undertaker of Tennessee Football" will be lurking around, with a loss...

 

[byobbio]

IMO, I don't think anybody has a clue how good we are and how bad FLA is. This game could go a thousand different ways. Like Bill Anderson used to say, that ball is not round. It can bounce however it wants to. And that, my friends, is why we watch.

 

[VOLorNuttin]

that Oklahoma loss.

We win that, even pulling it out in overtime, and the swagger and confidence we would have this Florida week would be so energizing, so refreshing, so exciting. I'm talking about for the fans and VolNation in particular. We beat Oklahoma and I think 95% of the board feels like we finally handle Florida. It would just be so refreshing over the doom and gloom. There would be some buzz, some excitement.

As it stands, there is a lot of doubt in a lot of minds because of that Oklahoma loss and the streak. Butch is playing it cool - passion not emotion - he's being the CEO head coach this week. He's being the anti-Bret Bielema and wants his team to be cool and professional as well. Did Oklahoma influence this approach? I am looking for some fun and excitement and the expectation of victory.

I feel like this Tennessee team should be 10 points better than this Florida team, even in the Swamp. I was confident we were 10-points better than Oklahoma in Neyland as well.

C'mon Vols. We will be entering a whole new world, a whole new era with a win on Saturday. Damn, I hope for victory.

I have a 2-word response to this...
1) Colton
2) Jumper

If he doesn't hold on BOTH 3rd downs, OU is punting back to us from deep in their own side of the field and they don't have enough time to stage a comeback.

There are a number of other things that could have helped preserve a win, but his F-ups helped him take the SEC Bonehead of the week award.

 

[titansvolsfaninga]

that Oklahoma loss.

We win that, even pulling it out in overtime, and the swagger and confidence we would have this Florida week would be so energizing, so refreshing, so exciting. I'm talking about for the fans and VolNation in particular. We beat Oklahoma and I think 95% of the board feels like we finally handle Florida. It would just be so refreshing over the doom and gloom. There would be some buzz, some excitement.

As it stands, there is a lot of doubt in a lot of minds because of that Oklahoma loss and the streak. Butch is playing it cool - passion not emotion - he's being the CEO head coach this week. He's being the anti-Bret Bielema and wants his team to be cool and professional as well. Did Oklahoma influence this approach? I am looking for some fun and excitement and the expectation of victory.

I feel like this Tennessee team should be 10 points better than this Florida team, even in the Swamp. I was confident we were 10-points better than Oklahoma in Neyland as well.

C'mon Vols. We will be entering a whole new world, a whole new era with a win on Saturday. Damn, I hope for victory.

Last I checked, the fans don't get on the field to play. It really doesn't matter what the fans think. As long as the players are confident. Hell, judging by most of the post on here, our fans have missed their meds.

 

[BeardedVol]

no you just have a fan base that thinks we should be winning 11 games this year because of all the off season jerking off. Most these kids are still Sophomores i really dont understand what is so hard to understand that.

Maybe the fanbase just feels like the coach should know to to pull off a win going 17-3 with 10 minutes left in the game.

 

[BowlBrother85]

that Oklahoma loss.

We win that, even pulling it out in overtime, and the swagger and confidence we would have this Florida week would be so energizing, so refreshing, so exciting. I'm talking about for the fans and VolNation in particular. We beat Oklahoma and I think 95% of the board feels like we finally handle Florida. It would just be so refreshing over the doom and gloom. There would be some buzz, some excitement.

As it stands, there is a lot of doubt in a lot of minds because of that Oklahoma loss and the streak. Butch is playing it cool - passion not emotion - he's being the CEO head coach this week. He's being the anti-Bret Bielema and wants his team to be cool and professional as well. Did Oklahoma influence this approach? I am looking for some fun and excitement and the expectation of victory.

I feel like this Tennessee team should be 10 points better than this Florida team, even in the Swamp. I was confident we were 10-points better than Oklahoma in Neyland as well.

C'mon Vols. We will be entering a whole new world, a whole new era with a win on Saturday. Damn, I hope for victory.

Those of you hoping that Butch changes anything are probably going to be disappointed. I think he has a Fulmer-like stubbornness and thinks his system and approach to coaching will work. Just don't go into meltdown mode Saturday the first time we throw a bubble screen on 3rd and 10 or punt from the Florida 40 on 4th and inches. That's just how Butch does things.

 

[KBVol]

You missed the point entirely.

Miles didn't rebuild the program. He took over an elite program and has maintained it.

2004 LSU =/= 2012 Tennessee

It's not the same thing.

An argument can also be made that 2007 LSU was the least deserving to play for BCS Championship.

Miles is a really good coach that doesn't have to work too hard to get elite talent.

Not sure how I missed "the point entirely". I agree that Miles didn't have to rebuild the LSU program after Saban, that obvious, no one with any sense would say otherwise. And yes he had good fortune in winning the 2007 national title, which most all collegiate head coaches who a title have.

I was just pointing out that long after Saban was gone is when Miles rattled off the best 4 year stretch of his career at LSU, when all of Saban's fingerprints were gone from the program.

Glad to see we agree that he's a really good coach. We also agree that he's got more talent in close proximity to LSU's campus than he can shake a stick at. What makes him a good coach though is that when he gets that talent on campus he knows how to win at an elite level with it.

 

[JPL]

Maybe the fanbase just feels like the coach should know to to pull off a win going 17-3 with 10 minutes left in the game.

:yes:

 

[titansvolsfaninga]

Why in the world it bothers you so much what I think about coaches of other football teams is beyond me. You should look into that.

Here....let me tick you off further....I think Saban and Meyer have done good jobs in their careers....I think Calipari and Geno Auriemma are good basketball coaches ....and hey, Bear Bryant and John Wooden didn't suck either...there you go, still more reason for you to hold your breath while you roll around on the floor and kick your feet.

As for Butch Jones, how many more times does any of us who has concerns about the some bad losses he's accumulated in his 3rd year at Tennessee have to tell you why. It's not that he lost to Vandy in 2013 or Florida in 2014 or OU a couple of weeks ago....it's HOW he lost, and for those of us who have some football acumen, it's a bit alarming. And the fact that you're evidently not remotely concerned and instead wanna argue about how a coach with a Natty and a 105-29 record sucks is far beyond me.

The stat I gave regarding the blown 17 point lead is just historical fact...as is the 45 pt/worst loss in UT history 2 years ago. Right now, fans and analysts and commentators are looking for as much evidence as they can to try and figure out just what kind of coach Butch is, to figure out if, in year 3, he's on the right track and can be projected to be a big winner at UT. All records he's accumulated to date go into the equation, into the decision. Unfortunately for him at this point so early in his tenure at UT, the bad losses are sticking out more than the 1 good win.

It's week 4 of year 3....can you see into the future? Every coach you named has had head scratching losses. You act as if they are beyond reproach. Why did Saban kick the field goal instead of just throwing a hail mary? Why did Miles try the fake field goal instead of taking the points? Why didn't Richt spike the ball to call a play? Why doesn't Calipari spend time on free throw shooting? There are always questionable calls and losses by coaches. For you to be dragging this on for two weeks is a little obsessive. You may need to seek professional help if you are that obsessed with historical facts. The south loss the war, no matter how many times you re-enact it, the outcome will be the same.

We don't get extra points for not losing by less than 45 points. It still counted as 1 loss. We only got 1 win when we came back and beat SC.

 

[walkenvol]

I have a 2-word response to this...
1) Colton
2) Jumper

If he doesn't hold on BOTH 3rd downs, OU is punting back to us from deep in their own side of the field and they don't have enough time to stage a comeback.

There are a number of other things that could have helped preserve a win, but his F-ups helped him take the SEC Bonehead of the week award.

Way to keep it classy VOLorNuttin! Very classy! k:

 

[KBVol]

mahoney's not exactly working with a bunch of 5 stars. Injuries haven't helped there either.

Azzani's group needs to produce or else. Not sure how you take all that talent and make them slow & unimpressive.

100%.

 

[LargeOrange1]

Maybe the fanbase just feels like the coach should know to to pull off a win going 17-3 with 10 minutes left in the game.

Butch Jones did not commit the 3rd down penalties that allowed OK to extend scoring drives. So tell us all how YOU would have pulled off the win with the same circumstances. Yeah.....that 's what I thought. :crazy:

 

[KBVol]

It's week 4 of year 3....can you see into the future? Every coach you named has had head scratching losses. You act as if they are beyond reproach. Why did Saban kick the field goal instead of just throwing a hail mary? Why did Miles try the fake field goal instead of taking the points? Why didn't Richt spike the ball to call a play? Why doesn't Calipari spend time on free throw shooting? There are always questionable calls and losses by coaches. For you to be dragging this on for two weeks is a little obsessive. You may need to seek professional help if you are that obsessed with historical facts. The south loss the war, no matter how many times you re-enact it, the outcome will be the same.

We don't get extra points for not losing by less than 45 points. It still counted as 1 loss. We only got 1 win when we came back and beat SC.

Good grief. Please stop responding to my posts cause I'm done with yours. I'm getting a headache.

 

[TennesseeStudVOL]

I don't know why peeps on this board are trippin about this game...did no one watch then ky/ fla game this past weekend??? It came on sec network several times...anyways both teams looked awful!!! Ky looks like they have a running game with the Boom kid and he's nowhere near Hurds or Kamaras strength or size...I think we will gashem for 150 to 200 yards....I'm not even sweatin this game at all...I think Tn kills n wins by at least 2 tds no prob!!!..BRING ON THE SWAMP..GATORS WILL MISS SOME TEETH AFTER THIS WEEKEND!!! GBO!!!

 

[Dragon18]

Not sure how I missed "the point entirely". I agree that Miles didn't have to rebuild the LSU program after Saban, that obvious, no one with any sense would say otherwise. And yes he had good fortune in winning the 2007 national title, which most all collegiate head coaches who a title have.

I was just pointing out that long after Saban was gone is when Miles rattled off the best 4 year stretch of his career at LSU, when all of Saban's fingerprints were gone from the program.

Glad to see we agree that he's a really good coach. We also agree that he's got more talent in close proximity to LSU's campus than he can shake a stick at. What makes him a good coach though is that when he gets that talent on campus he knows how to win at an elite level with it.

I'm not sure I would use Les to make your point. He wins games but it is surely not because of stellar coaching. That dude has had more clock management issues and head scratching calls than any coach I can think of. He is a guy that truly wins on accumulated talent.

 

[NashVol11]

So you prefer losing by 24 points like we did last year? Even if the staff failed this game, that's a tremendous gap we closed in one year. One game shouldn't define these guys. Lets wait for the season to end before making bold declarations.

Tennessee is alot better now than 2 years ago when Oregon was embrassing us. We can now actually compete again against the elite of college football.

Speaking of last year, that was a pretty bad 8-5 Oklahoma team that embarrassed us. Were we lucky to be within 24 then too?

 

[NashVol11]

Butch Jones may not know many things but he does know talent. Before the Bowling Green game, he said they were an explosive offense with an NFL QB. I took it as coach speak and thought we would handle them easily. We now know Bowling Green is a good football team. Similarly, Butch said Oklahoma is underrated and a top 5 football team. If that turns out to be true, then we just had a playoff team on the ropes.

Since when do "good football teams" lose to Memphis?

 

[MikeVol44]

OK is NOT a top 5 team....they won't even win their conference or be in the running....8-4--maybe 9-3....but they won't face other teams with coaches in their conference making vaginal decisions....at the 1/2 yard line.

Face it.....CBJ needs to grow up as a game-day coach. And that's not a slap at him...it's just absolutely true. CBJ has CHOKED in those big games where we had equal (OK this year) or better (Fla last year) talent on the field.

He can claim to be the CARETAKER of UT football all he wants for right now--but sooner or later--he's gonna have to start producing Ws on the field in those games.

I DESPERATELY want him to be the guy--I respect him and what he's done in recruiting and building an esprit de corps within the entire program....BUT---the WINS must start coming or else....

"...and that's the way it is...." :salute:

 

[MikeVol44]

I'm not sure I would use Les to make your point. He wins games but it is surely not because of stellar coaching. That dude has had more clock management issues and head scratching calls than any coach I can think of. He is a guy that truly wins on accumulated talent.

Hogwash! LSU is the epitome of Les' attitude and toughness. I covet his offensive philosophy where he lines up and just physically whoops dat azz....

Les hasn't had a decent QB since Russell left for the NFL...

He recruits well, his players love him, and he is determined to play physical instead of conform to the masses....Fournette is probably the best RB in the game today...

Sure--he has made some questionable game-management decisions--but he's won on those decisions more than he's lost.

And--if ANYONE else besides Saban had been at Alabama--Ole Les probably would have had 2 more NCs under his belt!

 

[MikeVol44]

Butch Jones did not commit the 3rd down penalties that allowed OK to extend scoring drives. So tell us all how YOU would have pulled off the win with the same circumstances. Yeah.....that 's what I thought. :crazy:

Well, he could've started by CONFIDENTLY allowing his 240lb beast of a RB score from the 1/2 yard line in the 1st QTR.....instead of being a vagina....That one decision could have proven to be enough to lose the game for UT.

He also could've gotten the ball out on the perimeter with throwing flares to his RB and adjusting to OK's D before his own Defense wore out in the 4th QTR....or he could've had his OC get the ball to the TE more in the 2nd half instead of going vaginal and vanilla on offense.

And...he could've had Kirkland in the game instead of Jumper....

He's the game manager....and he failed against OK...
Hopefully--he will grow up and improve....:salute:

 

[Remy]

No, "people are going crazy" because we had a signature win in hand vs a national power and our coaching staff pissed it away.

This is me as well. There's no way ANY football team, I mean defending champions again ranked #1, trailing the Vols by 14 at Neyland going into the 4th quarter, and we lose. Just should never happen, but it did. I get it, CBJ did coaching 101 and the book on how he handled things against OU. But you have to leave the book behind to win big, every now and again. If you're holding 12 and the dealer is holding 12 at a blackjack table, you hit it and get the 9 rather than the dealer hitting and getting the nine. That's not what the book says, but you and everybody at the table wins big.

 

[KBVol]

I'm not sure I would use Les to make your point. He wins games but it is surely not because of stellar coaching. That dude has had more clock management issues and head scratching calls than any coach I can think of. He is a guy that truly wins on accumulated talent.

Les isn't the greatest at game management, agreed there. But he wins games at an alarming rate and although he has had some headscratching decisions over the years, he's an aggressive, full steam ahead type coach who seems to have supreme confidence in his players to execute the plays/opportunities that other coaches just wouldn't. His 105-29 record more than confirms that his overall philosophy works. At the end of the day, from top to bottom, he has run and continues to run (for 11 years now) one of the most successful programs in the country.

 

[nashvol1]

It's the way we lost two year in row, not necessarily that we lost. Dooley's staff had a lot of great first halves and could not make in game adjustment. Similar trend with Butch except Butch has recruited better talent....he gets kudos for that...

 

[Remy]

Les isn't the greatest at game management, agreed there. But he wins games at an alarming rate and although he has had some headscratching decisions over the years, he's an aggressive, full steam ahead type coach who seems to have supreme confidence in his players to execute the plays/opportunities that other coaches just wouldn't. His 105-29 record more than confirms that his overall philosophy works. At the end of the day, from top to bottom, he has run and continues to run (for 11 years now) one of the most successful programs in the country.

Les in tight or tough games simply throws away coaching textbook 101 and his record shows he is rewarded for it. We saw for years Fulmer play it too conservatively and have last year's UF game and this year's OU game to see CBJ execute coaching textbook 101 and lose.

 

[KBVol]

Les in tight or tough games simply throws away coaching textbook 101 and his record shows he is rewarded for it. We saw for years Fulmer play it too conservatively and have last year's UF game and this year's OU game to see CBJ execute coaching textbook 101 and lose.

The way that Butch coached the second half vs Georgia in 2013 is the Butch I want to see way more often than not. He coached to win that game, was pedal to the metal trying to win that game. He was was creative and aggressive at just the right times, he seemed to have a great feel for the game. Two weeks later we got more of the same with the upset of SCar.

That's the mindset Miles has most, if not all of the time, and it works way more often than not, just like it worked for Butch in the 2013 Georgia game. Neyland's 7th maxim said "Carry the fight to our opponent and keep it there for 60 minutes"..... Butch would do well to not gloss over that one on Saturday IMO. Go win the game, not hope you can hold on at the end.