Are people going crazy because they think Oklahoma is a 8-5 football team?

[bowlinggreenvol]

There have been numerous post and breakdowns by other posters that stated that OU DID NOT do anything different. Search for post by JP...we didn't execute in the second half, and they did. Simple as that. I would trust the coaches...calling either the coach and/or player a liar or incompetent is low class. Because you refuse to accept the fact that no adjustments were made by OU, that appears to be a personal problem.

If no adjustments were made by OU then why are our OL convinced they did? If they didn't and Kerbyson thinks they did, then he's incompetent and doesn't recognize what to do. Don't know how that's low class. Someone in the scenario is wrong; either players or coaches because they're saying 2 different things, both can't be right.

 

[ajvol01]

So JR's are too young to win? We won't be a true competitor until the roster is a 25% mix of all 4 classes? Maybe if Butch didn't lose 41% of his first class we'd have more Jr's.

2013 class is 60 / 40 Dooley Jones. Not enough time to build relationships and fix what was broken by previous staff

Thankfully Butch added Dobbs.

2014 class are JRs next year. 2016 is the year most fans have been pointing to for expectations for SEC East.

Blame 2013 attrition on Butch, but it ultimately opens a spot for someone good enough to contribute more than scout team role.

Fulmer had attrition. Saban has attrition- see Kamara.

The OL is the main issue- has to get better this year and must be fixed in 2016. If not everyone will rightfully question this staff.

 

[ajvol01]

I think anyone with a brain would agree that Jancek and Martinez underachieved a bit with that defense at UGA. Many people also agreed that Richt used them as a scapegoat too, so let's not forget that.

Since then, Jancek has proven himself at Tennessee. What has Mahoney or Azzani proven with the production of their units?

Mahoney's not exactly working with a bunch of 5 stars. Injuries haven't helped there either.

Azzani's group needs to produce or else. Not sure how you take all that talent and make them slow & unimpressive.

 

[bowlinggreenvol]

2013 class is 60 / 40 Dooley Jones. Not enough time to build relationships and fix what was broken by previous staff

Thankfully Butch added Dobbs.

2014 class are JRs next year. 2016 is the year most fans have been pointing to for expectations for SEC East.

Blame 2013 attrition on Butch, but it ultimately opens a spot for someone good enough to contribute more than scout team role.

Fulmer had attrition. Saban has attrition- see Kamara.

The OL is the main issue- has to get better this year and must be fixed in 2016. If not everyone will rightfully question this staff.

But with constant attrition you'll never build a team of SR's like you expect. We're going to be short at least 9 SR's next year from the 2013 class; many of which were the ones Butch brought in. Dooley's "sub-SEC par" recruits have stuck it out.

 

[pharmDvol11]

I'm disappointed like everyone else about the game but we did not lose to an inferior team. Many experts have Oklahoma making the playoff. Practically no one picked us and many were afraid we would get embarrassed. This loss hurts but it's not embrassing. Losing to Toledo at home is embrassing.

Butch Jones may not know many things but he does know talent. Before the Bowling Green game, he said they were an explosive offense with an NFL QB. I took it as coach speak and thought we would handle them easily. We now know Bowling Green is a good football team. Similarly, Butch said Oklahoma is underrated and a top 5 football team. If that turns out to be true, then we just had a playoff team on the ropes.

This team can still be great. Folks need to let the season play itself out before making declarations this early in the season. Bringing negativity to this football team this early in the season is wrong.

Tennessee fans need to grow up.

Exactly. Here's the whole season: If we can win 1 of the next 3 games and the rest of the season plays out predictably then we can "expect" 7 wins. We get bowl eligible and if we pull that one out we're at 8 wins. That would probably upset 80% of the vocal majority on here but it shows improvement and, in my scenario, it means Butch notches another "signature" SEC win. And with this schedule there are opportunities to win more. Missouri and Arkansas would be great opportunities. Don't get me wrong. I want to beat Florida. But I think, like Butch says, let's take it one game at a time. Our record will show improvement by the end of the year imo.

 

[BanditVol]

It's not just 1 game, in week 2!
Remember Florida last year-- they sucked but we lost to them.
OU is not a playoff team, maybe a little better than us maybe not, BUT we had a 17 point lead at home and lost.
When are we going to beat a team were not supposed to beat?

No one will know if OU is a playoff team for at least a month, and maybe not till December if they make it, and I think they can.

 

[omghulkhands]

2013 class is 60 / 40 Dooley Jones. Not enough time to build relationships and fix what was broken by previous staff

Thankfully Butch added Dobbs.

2014 class are JRs next year. 2016 is the year most fans have been pointing to for expectations for SEC East.

Blame 2013 attrition on Butch, but it ultimately opens a spot for someone good enough to contribute more than scout team role.

Fulmer had attrition. Saban has attrition- see Kamara.

The OL is the main issue- has to get better this year and must be fixed in 2016. If not everyone will rightfully question this staff.

That is where we see it different. I think there has been enough evidence to question Butch Jones. He isn't and shouldn't be immune to criticism.

Nobody is asking for him to be fired. We are simply pointing out what appear to be flaws.

Could be wrong, he might be out tricking everyone with his mind and it really is more of a long game.

I just remember that this same type of stuff went on with Fulmer in his later years and Dooley where people thought any criticism was unjust until they had completely, undoubtedly failed.

We aren't to the completely, undoubtedly phase yet, but I personally believe we are much closer than you think

 

[ajvol01]

But with constant attrition you'll never build a team of SR's like you expect. We're going to be short at least 9 SR's next year from the 2013 class; many of which were the ones Butch brought in. Dooley's "sub-SEC par" recruits have stuck it out.

Only Dooley guys that are left deserve to be here, if nothing else but to provide depth.

Not all Dooley's recruits were sub-par. 2012 OL recruits would be helpful, but unfortunately there weren't any.

 

[BanditVol]

2013 class is 60 / 40 Dooley Jones. Not enough time to build relationships and fix what was broken by previous staff

Thankfully Butch added Dobbs.

2014 class are JRs next year. 2016 is the year most fans have been pointing to for expectations for SEC East.

Blame 2013 attrition on Butch, but it ultimately opens a spot for someone good enough to contribute more than scout team role.

Fulmer had attrition. Saban has attrition- see Kamara.

The OL is the main issue- has to get better this year and must be fixed in 2016. If not everyone will rightfully question this staff.

well not only that, but the 2014 and 2015 classes were loaded and the 2013 class was the worst since 2008, which was the worst Vol class since recruiting ratings have existed (from the early 90s). Actually depending on which service you use, 2013 might have been worse than 2008.

We did get a few gamers like Cam Sutton in the 2013 class, and I appreciate the contributions of all of them, but the first "real" recruiting class for Jones will be Juniors next year.

And yes, that's why everyone is pointing to next year as a team that could or even should win the SECC.

 

[bowlinggreenvol]

Only Dooley guys that are left deserve to be here, if nothing else but to provide depth.

Not all Dooley's recruits were sub-par. 2012 OL recruits would be helpful, but unfortunately there weren't any.

I agree they're not sub-par. That was sarcasm for the ever present battle cry on here that Dooley couldn't recruit.

 

[KBVol]

Butch is my coach. I won't be fantasizing about other coaches. In my opinion, both Richt and Miles under achieve given the talent that they have. However, how can you have reservations regarding Butch, but you admire Richt and Miles.

Can acknowledge 1 coach with a 104-29 record and a national title and another with 2 SEC titles who wins 10 games a year......while having some reservations about a coach who just beat Western Carolina to get his record back to .500 after becoming the only coach in 100+ years at UT to lose a 17 pt lead in Neyland stadium.....I know, it's crazy talk on my end, who'd ever think such a thing?

 

[titansvolsfaninga]

Can acknowledge 1 coach with a 104-29 record and a national title and another with 2 SEC titles who wins 10 games a year......while having some reservations about a coach who just beat Western Carolina to get his record back to .500 after becoming the only coach in 100+ years at UT to lose a 17 pt lead in Neyland stadium.....I know, it's crazy talk on my end, who'd ever think such a thing?

Again, 2 weeks later you're still riding your soap box? The coaches that you praise ALWAYS have head scratching losses....EVERY year. Do you somehow feel that Neyland was defiled? Was that a stat that you hung your hat on everything you talked football? I'm quite sure you were not aware of that stat before some stat guy dug it up. If he wins out will you still pine over this loss?

 

[KBVol]

Saban built a monster program at LSU. They were stacked and Miles inherited a very good situation. Yes some of those players were recruited by Saban - all the RS Jrs, Srs, and RS Srs.

Miles also managed to lose to Kentucky and later Arkansas (final week of reg season), yet still got to play for BCS title.

Lucky as hell is how I'd describe Les in 2007.

Miles is 105-29 at LSU in his 11th season there. The 4 years prior to last year, a down year when he only won 8 games in the most challenging division in college football, he went 44-9...a 4 year stretch that began 6 years after Saban was gone. If you want to say he's not very good or just lucky or whatever, that's fine, it's your opinion. I just strongly disagree. The guy knows what he's doing and that will become even further evident this year when he very likely wins 10-12 games again and coaches the team to beat in the SECwest.

 

[Eddie Vol Halen]

that Oklahoma loss.

We win that, even pulling it out in overtime, and the swagger and confidence we would have this Florida week would be so energizing, so refreshing, so exciting. I'm talking about for the fans and VolNation in particular. We beat Oklahoma and I think 95% of the board feels like we finally handle Florida. It would just be so refreshing over the doom and gloom. There would be some buzz, some excitement.

As it stands, there is a lot of doubt in a lot of minds because of that Oklahoma loss and the streak. Butch is playing it cool - passion not emotion - he's being the CEO head coach this week. He's being the anti-Bret Bielema and wants his team to be cool and professional as well. Did Oklahoma influence this approach? I am looking for some fun and excitement and the expectation of victory.

I feel like this Tennessee team should be 10 points better than this Florida team, even in the Swamp. I was confident we were 10-points better than Oklahoma in Neyland as well.

C'mon Vols. We will be entering a whole new world, a whole new era with a win on Saturday. Damn, I hope for victory.

 

[McDad]

We should heed Edna Mode's wisdom. "I never look back, darling! It distracts from the now."*

 

[TylerFlip]

no you just have a fan base that thinks we should be winning 11 games this year because of all the off season jerking off. Most these kids are still Sophomores i really dont understand what is so hard to understand that.

 

[BearCat204]

no you just have a fan base that thinks we should be winning 11 games this year because of all the off season jerking off. Most these kids are still Sophomores i really dont understand what is so hard to understand that.

The OP included

 

[LargeOrange1]

that Oklahoma loss.

We win that, even pulling it out in overtime, and the swagger and confidence we would have this Florida week would be so energizing, so refreshing, so exciting. I'm talking about for the fans and VolNation in particular. We beat Oklahoma and I think 95% of the board feels like we finally handle Florida. It would just be so refreshing over the doom and gloom. There would be some buzz, some excitement.

As it stands, there is a lot of doubt in a lot of minds because of that Oklahoma loss and the streak. Butch is playing it cool - passion not emotion - he's being the CEO head coach this week. He's being the anti-Bret Bielema and wants his team to be cool and professional as well. Did Oklahoma influence this approach? I am looking for some fun and excitement and the expectation of victory.

I feel like this Tennessee team should be 10 points better than this Florida team, even in the Swamp. I was confident we were 10-points better than Oklahoma in Neyland as well.

C'mon Vols. We will be entering a whole new world, a whole new era with a win on Saturday. Damn, I hope for victory.

Eddie.....don't "Hope" for a win. Believe in a win.

I do have to admit that my "Pucker Factor" is increasing daily as we get closer to Saturday. :dry:

 

[chattavol420]

The players feed off the coach. If we get a three point lead and then go ultra conservative...we'll lose. Keep the foot in the gas, and we should beat this Florida

 

[ReaderVol]

I love the fact that we have an anti-Bielema as our head coach.

 

[KBVol]

Again, 2 weeks later you're still riding your soap box? The coaches that you praise ALWAYS have head scratching losses....EVERY year. Do you somehow feel that Neyland was defiled? Was that a stat that you hung your hat on everything you talked football? I'm quite sure you were not aware of that stat before some stat guy dug it up. If he wins out will you still pine over this loss?

Why in the world it bothers you so much what I think about coaches of other football teams is beyond me. You should look into that.

Here....let me tick you off further....I think Saban and Meyer have done good jobs in their careers....I think Calipari and Geno Auriemma are good basketball coaches ....and hey, Bear Bryant and John Wooden didn't suck either...there you go, still more reason for you to hold your breath while you roll around on the floor and kick your feet.

As for Butch Jones, how many more times does any of us who has concerns about the some bad losses he's accumulated in his 3rd year at Tennessee have to tell you why. It's not that he lost to Vandy in 2013 or Florida in 2014 or OU a couple of weeks ago....it's HOW he lost, and for those of us who have some football acumen, it's a bit alarming. And the fact that you're evidently not remotely concerned and instead wanna argue about how a coach with a Natty and a 105-29 record sucks is far beyond me.

The stat I gave regarding the blown 17 point lead is just historical fact...as is the 45 pt/worst loss in UT history 2 years ago. Right now, fans and analysts and commentators are looking for as much evidence as they can to try and figure out just what kind of coach Butch is, to figure out if, in year 3, he's on the right track and can be projected to be a big winner at UT. All records he's accumulated to date go into the equation, into the decision. Unfortunately for him at this point so early in his tenure at UT, the bad losses are sticking out more than the 1 good win.

 

[ReaderVol]

The players feed off the coach. If we get a three point lead and then go ultra conservative...we'll lose. Keep the foot in the gas, and we should beat this Florida

How is throwing the ball more in the 2nd half going conservative?
And yes the players feed off the coach and that's why they go into every game believing they will win. This team is very confident.

 

[ajvol01]

that Oklahoma loss.

We win that, even pulling it out in overtime, and the swagger and confidence we would have this Florida week would be so energizing, so refreshing, so exciting. I'm talking about for the fans and VolNation in particular. We beat Oklahoma and I think 95% of the board feels like we finally handle Florida. It would just be so refreshing over the doom and gloom. There would be some buzz, some excitement.

As it stands, there is a lot of doubt in a lot of minds because of that Oklahoma loss and the streak. Butch is playing it cool - passion not emotion - he's being the CEO head coach this week. He's being the anti-Bret Bielema and wants his team to be cool and professional as well. Did Oklahoma influence this approach? I am looking for some fun and excitement and the expectation of victory.

I feel like this Tennessee team should be 10 points better than this Florida team, even in the Swamp. I was confident we were 10-points better than Oklahoma in Neyland as well.

C'mon Vols. We will be entering a whole new world, a whole new era with a win on Saturday. Damn, I hope for victory.

so you're predicting we lose by 7?

 

[ajvol01]

Miles is 105-29 at LSU in his 11th season there. The 4 years prior to last year, a down year when he only won 8 games in the most challenging division in college football, he went 44-9...a 4 year stretch that began 6 years after Saban was gone. If you want to say he's not very good or just lucky or whatever, that's fine, it's your opinion. I just strongly disagree. The guy knows what he's doing and that will become even further evident this year when he very likely wins 10-12 games again and coaches the team to beat in the SECwest.

You missed the point entirely.

Miles didn't rebuild the program. He took over an elite program and has maintained it.

2004 LSU =/= 2012 Tennessee

It's not the same thing.

An argument can also be made that 2007 LSU was the least deserving to play for BCS Championship.

Miles is a really good coach that doesn't have to work too hard to get elite talent.

 

[JPL]

that Oklahoma loss.

We win that, even pulling it out in overtime, and the swagger and confidence we would have this Florida week would be so energizing, so refreshing, so exciting. I'm talking about for the fans and VolNation in particular. We beat Oklahoma and I think 95% of the board feels like we finally handle Florida. It would just be so refreshing over the doom and gloom. There would be some buzz, some excitement.

As it stands, there is a lot of doubt in a lot of minds because of that Oklahoma loss and the streak. Butch is playing it cool - passion not emotion - he's being the CEO head coach this week. He's being the anti-Bret Bielema and wants his team to be cool and professional as well. Did Oklahoma influence this approach? I am looking for some fun and excitement and the expectation of victory.

I feel like this Tennessee team should be 10 points better than this Florida team, even in the Swamp. I was confident we were 10-points better than Oklahoma in Neyland as well.

C'mon Vols. We will be entering a whole new world, a whole new era with a win on Saturday. Damn, I hope for victory.

The Chip Kelly Future Wager from Pat Forde @Yahoo Sports this morning...

Tennessee (27). Odds: 75-1. This is a program badly in need of continuity, so getting rid of Butch Jones after three years would qualify as unlikely and probably unwise. But if Jones can’t take a major step forward with the current roster, it might be time to wonder whether he can ever do it. And if Chip Kelly sends signals that he’d be available, you never know. Unless, of course, Jon Gruden decides he wants it first.

The entire article:

Forde-Yard Dash: College football's most overpaid, underpaid coaches - Yahoo Sports

I agree it is probably unwise to get rid of anybody at this point. That being said, the fact that Butch' name is even in this article is telling. Lose to FL and Butch' name will begin to surface in more articles.

Win Butch, Win! :dance2:

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