Former President Jimmy Carter has cancer

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Ernest T. Vol said:
I'm not that far from you and Gramps. I remember all this pretty well. The space flights always stay with me. I remember watching the moon landing at my grandparents on their old black and white. My Grandad was a tough stoic WW2 vet and had no time for what he considered 60's foolishness. But I remember him tearing up (1 of 2 times) with pride when Walter Conkrite said something like "Neil Armstrong, A 38 year old American, stands on the face of the moon".
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What I was thinking about when I said space flight was the old Mercury program from back in my Junior High days. We either watched on tv or listened on the radio to a half dozen of these in class. Alan Shepherd, Virgil "Gus" Grissom, Scott Carpenter, John Glenn, etc.
 
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MercyPercy said:
Done my way? My way being that I believe the government doesn't have the right to force its citizens to participate in unjustifiable wars and bloodshed? You guys love to believe you hate big government, but your stance on the military proves that notion is a farce. You have no integrity if you'd kill at the gubmint's command regardles of circumstances, which is exactly what you're saying. And worst of all, you're saying that this mindset is necessary for the country to grow and prosper. Your only card left is to twist history and try to somehow justify that disaster of a war, as something that was absolutely necessary, but you won't have much luck convincing anyone of that.
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Your way is allowing individuals to determine what they will and will not support. That thinking resulted in the draft during WW1.
 
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KentheOrange said:
Your way is allowing individuals to determine what they will and will not support. That thinking resulted in the draft during WW1.
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My way of thinking allows for people to not be forcefully mandated to participate in a war that is inconsequential to the freedom and safety of their own country. What are you not willing to do for the government?
 
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Cdywolfe said:
I was sarcastically saying that I didn't want the dodgers living in by neighborhood but I guess that went over your head.

I still think it's exceprionally cute how you guys are unable to differentiate defending yourself against an aggressive intruder and participating in a worthless invasion on the other side of the world. Your complete inabiliity to critically think makes them so proud.
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That may have been what you meant but it is not what you said.

I think it's cute that you don't understand that taking the fight to the other side of the world keeps the aggressive intruders there instead of here. Used to work. However they are now attacking us here and that toothpaste isn't going back in the tube.
 
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Gramps said:
I agreed with the Carter Pardons. I also agreed with Ford pardoning Nixon.

We had gone through so much turmoil in the 1960's- 1970'a I think Ford and Carter made wise decisions. They started the healing process then the great communicator was elected and pulled us back together as a nation. I am not sure he could have done so without those pardons.


I don't know anyone that evaded the draft. I knew guys who served. I knew plenty of guys who prayed their number never come up, some were not lucky. I can understand guys evading the draft and I can understand guys coming home and joining the ant-war movement.

This was the first war that was brought to our living rooms every night on the evening news. You would watch the war coverage then next would be the ant-war protests , Civil Right Marches. We lived through some terrible things. The JFK, MLK and RFL killings, Kent State shooting. It was gloom and doom every night.

Overall the pardons were accepted. Of course with anything political, there was some opposition. I think the Carter pardons was rejected mainly by veteran groups. The dems threw a hissy fit over the Nixon pardon.

That is more than you ask for. It is difficult to explain life back then. It was a very emotional time in America that is hard to put in words. One has to look at a 10-15 year timeframe to understand the feel to be living in the US during that time.
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Gramps, I saw an article in the April/May issue of the AARP magazine this morning that had an article about the 10 years of the Viet Nam war and the feelings of the population with a time table for that period. I have not been able to find the article online but if the youngsters can get a copy from their grandparents it will help them understand this period better. I was reading it at a doctors office.
 
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MercyPercy said:
My way of thinking allows for people to not be forcefully mandated to participate in a war that is inconsequential to the freedom and safety of their own country. What are you not willing to do for the government?
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First of all, you don't have the knowledge to determine that. Unfortunately, the people making the decision to go to war don't either.
 
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KentheOrange said:
First of all, you don't have the knowledge to determine that. Unfortunately, the people making the decision to go to war don't either.
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If you could even attempt to demonstrate how the Vietnam War could even be argued as defending our country, here's your chance. You think we should fight whoever the government mandates us to fight, no matter what. So, I ask again. What would you not do for the government?
 
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KentheOrange said:
Gramps, I saw an article in the April/May issue of the AARP magazine this morning that had an article about the 10 years of the Viet Nam war and the feelings of the population with a time table for that period. I have not been able to find the article online but if the youngsters can get a copy from their grandparents it will help them understand this period better. I was reading it at a doctors office.
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Is this the article Keith?


Vietnam: The War That Changed Everything - AARP
 
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KentheOrange said:
That may have been what you meant but it is not what you said.

I think it's cute that you don't understand that taking the fight to the other side of the world keeps the aggressive intruders there instead of here. Used to work. However they are now attacking us here and that toothpaste isn't going back in the tube.
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Me not saying something and you misunderstanding it are two completely different things.

Cdywolfe said:
I love how you keep calling them Canadians. Cause if you ain't willing to give your life to travel around the planet and kill people you've never met simply because someone else you've never met orders you to then, you sure as hell ain't American. Am I right fellas? I know I sure as hell don't want people like that living in my neighborhood.
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Seems pretty clear to me. If you're not willing to participate in the war you're both un-American and not welcome in my neighborhood. It was obvious sarcasm. You should look it up.

Not only that but I've made several post about how my father, a man I have a ton of respect for, is a Vietnam vet. So anyone with a room temp IQ should know that I have no desire to live in a veteran-free neighborhood.

As to your second point, whether that's true or not is irrelevant. A country that prides itself as the land of free has no business forcing its citizens to fight wars they have no desire to be in.
 
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hog88 said:
Very cool.

In 82 or so my grandparents took a weeks vacation and my dad thought it would be a good idea to take out the old wood cook stove and put in a brand new electric stove/oven. That lasted a week or so before we were putting that old wood stove back in the house.
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That's funny...

That'll totally be me. I'm only 31 and already hate change and young people (including my generation). By the time I'm an old man I'm sure I'll be resistant as hell to change.
 
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Cdywolfe said:
Me not saying something and you misunderstanding it are two completely different things.



Seems pretty clear to me. If you're not willing to participate in the war you're both un-American and not welcome in my neighborhood. It was obvious sarcasm. You should look it up.

Not only that but I've made several post about how my father, a man I have a ton of respect for, is a Vietnam vet. So anyone with a room temp IQ should know that I have no desire to live in a veteran-free neighborhood.

As to your second point, whether that's true or not is irrelevant. A country that prides itself as the land of free has no business forcing its citizens to fight wars they have no desire to be in.
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So you're saying you have no objection to somebody else getting the job done, you just don't want to do it. Fair enough.
 
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Obsessed said:
Over an individual that moved to another country? The U.S. Government will spend that much effort over a person, say a person who makes 50k a year?
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Even if a dumb law isn't being enforced, why would you still be so willing to defend and accept that law?
 
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Vol8188 said:
Even if a dumb law isn't being enforced, why would you still be so willing to defend and accept that law?
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Arkansas state law says I can beat my wife on Sunday's with a stick no larger than 2"s in diameter.

It's not enforced or practiced. Much like the law huff mentioned on leaving the country.

Faux outrage by both of you.
 
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Vol8188 said:
This most GOP bs so that we can pretend to be on the defensive when invading foreign countries.
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You and the other millennials will eventually learn that if you don't stop the aggressiveness of a bully early the bully only gets more aggressive.
 
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Vol8188 said:
This is one of the many things war mongers love to claim.

They also talk a lot about testicles when foreign policy is mentioned. It's awkward to say the least.
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When you don't have any balls, I would imagine it would be awkward.

Don't you? Biggest kid at the table, but you play with dolls...
 
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