Gun control debate (merged)

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lawgator1 said:
One day, the firearms industry will be viewed much like the cigarette industry is today.
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Never heard of a cigarette saving someone's life or protecting their property. I will buy a pack of smokes and see if it works. Nah I will keep my firearms.
 
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SpaceCoastVol said:
Oh this oughta be good.

Pray tell counselor, how is that?
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Because they are going to try to frame it as a.........

"public health issue." And since there will be/is universal healthcare, there is a public interest in reducing the amount of gun injuries since that is a burden on the taxpayer. So, well, maybe an Executive Order goes down that all insurance companies have to ask about gun ownership and then rates will go sky high for those that own guns to pay for the healthcare of those hurt by guns. Just a offhand thought......
 
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The cigarette industry romanticized smoking, particularly portraying it to men as having some connection to rugged individualism. Same with the NRA and firearms.

The cigarette industry bought off politicians for many years, until eventually the science and the math were too apparent to pay people to ignore. Those with common sense when it comes to guns similarly have to depend on the notion that eventually the facts will win out.

The cigarette industry went after and tried to discredit those who dared to come after them. It eventually back fired. The same will happen with guns.
 
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lawgator1 said:
One day, the firearms industry will be viewed much like the cigarette industry is today.
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Quite possibly the dumbest thing I've read on here. No offense, though I disagree with a lot, well all of your views. You usually have value points to argue, but this, just no.
 
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lawgator1 said:
The cigarette industry romanticized smoking, particularly portraying it to men as having some connection to rugged individualism. Same with the NRA and firearms.

The cigarette industry bought off politicians for many years, until eventually the science and the math were too apparent to pay people to ignore. Those with common sense when it comes to guns similarly have to depend on the notion that eventually the facts will win out.

The cigarette industry went after and tried to discredit those who dared to come after them. It eventually back fired. The same will happen with guns.
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The cigarette industry argued and hid facts that cigarettes will kill you. I have yet to see a gun manufacture argue that guns don't kill people.
 
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A cigarette actually has things in it that causes cancer. A gun is in no way made of anything that causes anything, without being done by a person. They don't just shoot on their own.
 
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lawgator1 said:
The cigarette industry romanticized smoking, particularly portraying it to men as having some connection to rugged individualism. Same with the NRA and firearms.

The cigarette industry bought off politicians for many years, until eventually the science and the math were too apparent to pay people to ignore. Those with common sense when it comes to guns similarly have to depend on the notion that eventually the facts will win out.

The cigarette industry went after and tried to discredit those who dared to come after them. It eventually back fired. The same will happen with guns.
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Your record of accuracy with prognostication is atrocious. Big Legal's strategy may follow the strategy used against Big Tobacco but it will be a Big Failure.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Come on. You can do better than this.
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Ok how about this: there was a time when people used tobacco not aware that it had harmful side affects. Those side affects, despite being known by the manufacturer of tobacco products, were hidden from the public by those very companies. Now show me where any gun manufacturer claimed that their product if used couldn't kill a person. I will wait for your response.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Come on. You can do better than this.
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I could, but I don't see the reasoning behind posting 3-4 paragraphs to show what should be common sense. I have one of my guns laying right here on the nightstand. You know what its done all day? Nothing, and it won't unless a person picks it up and pulls the trigger. Nothing its made of is gonna hurt me, unless somebody causes it. There's one paragraph.
 
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A cigarette doesn't do anything unless a person lights it.

Guns are worse, particularly hand guns, because other than an infinitesimally small use for hunting IT'S VERY PURPOSE IS TO KILL ANOTHER PERSON.

You can argue that such use justifies it's existence in the rare case where it is self defense, but fact is, the vast majority of such uses are offensive and criminal.

(Cue posting links to NRA bought and paid for studies falsely claiming otherwise )
 
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lawgator1 said:
A cigarette doesn't do anything unless a person lights it.

Guns are worse, particularly hand guns, because other than an infinitesimally small use for hunting IT'S VERY PURPOSE IS TO KILL ANOTHER PERSON.

You can argue that such use justifies it's existence in the rare case where it is self defense, but fact is, the vast majority of such uses are offensive and criminal.

(Cue posting links to NRA bought and paid for studies falsely claiming otherwise )
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Please show me where gun companies have claimed their product if used can't kill people. Oh and according to the CDC you are 10 times more likely to die from tobacco use then being shot. That includes instances of protecting ones self. But that damn CDC is so right leaning.
 
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lawgator1 said:
The cigarette industry romanticized smoking, particularly portraying it to men as having some connection to rugged individualism. Same with the NRA and firearms.

The cigarette industry bought off politicians for many years, until eventually the science and the math were too apparent to pay people to ignore. Those with common sense when it comes to guns similarly have to depend on the notion that eventually the facts will win out.

The cigarette industry went after and tried to discredit those who dared to come after them. It eventually back fired. The same will happen with guns.
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Actually, the fastest growing segment of the shooting industry is female shooters. Something the NRA has embraced that happens to be contrary to your "manly pursuits" argument. And they don't push the individualism portion, but rather common sense, rights and firearms safety.

And I think it's hilarious you speak to politicians being bought off when people like Bloomberg feed millions of dollars into States where gun control is on the ballot. I mean, you didn't forget that did you? Why don't you go find out how much money is spent by the NRA, GOA and other pro-2A groups and how much is spent by anti-gun groups.

And it's rather interesting that in the aftermath of the worst shooting in US history, gun control legislation failed. Is that because the gun industry spent money skewing the data? Or was it because people actually thought about the situation as it stood and decided the actions of the extreme few weren't reason enough for the knee jerk reactions so typical of Washington bureaucrats after they had time to digest the information?
 
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lawgator1 said:
A cigarette doesn't do anything unless a person lights it.

Guns are worse, particularly hand guns, because other than an infinitesimally small use for hunting IT'S VERY PURPOSE IS TO KILL ANOTHER PERSON.

You can argue that such use justifies it's existence in the rare case where it is self defense, but fact is, the vast majority of such uses are offensive and criminal.

(Cue posting links to NRA bought and paid for studies falsely claiming otherwise )
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How can you bring up how the vast majority of their use are for offensive and criminal uses yet not acknowledge the need for self defense? Lol
 
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lawgator1 said:
A cigarette doesn't do anything unless a person lights it.

Guns are worse, particularly hand guns, because other than an infinitesimally small use for hunting IT'S VERY PURPOSE IS TO KILL ANOTHER PERSON.

You can argue that such use justifies it's existence in the rare case where it is self defense, but fact is, the vast majority of such uses are offensive and criminal.

(Cue posting links to NRA bought and paid for studies falsely claiming otherwise )
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A gun doesn't do anything unless a PERSON loads it, chambers it, aims it, and pulls the trigger. Your argument is dumb.
 
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Grand Vol said:
Actually, the fastest growing segment of the shooting industry is female shooters. Something the NRA has embraced that happens to be contrary to your "manly pursuits" argument. And they don't push the individualism portion, but rather common sense, rights and firearms safety.

And I think it's hilarious you speak to politicians being bought off when people like Bloomberg feed millions of dollars into States where gun control is on the ballot. I mean, you didn't forget that did you? Why don't you go find out how much money is spent by the NRA, GOA and other pro-2A groups and how much is spent by anti-gun groups.

And it's rather interesting that in the aftermath of the worst shooting in US history, gun control legislation failed. Is that because the gun industry spent money skewing the data? Or was it because people actually thought about the situation as it stood and decided the actions of the extreme few weren't reason enough for the knee jerk reactions so typical of Washington bureaucrats after they had time to digest the information?
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It's because the NRA is ruthless and irrational when it comes to any measure that would restrict guns. Far more leaders in government, even GOP ones, are very much in favor of gun restrictions, but they cower in the face of the NRA.
 
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joevol33 said:
Quite possibly the dumbest thing I've read on here. No offense, though I disagree with a lot, well all of your views. You usually have value points to argue, but this, just no.
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It depends...... If the number of spineless liberal pu**ies surpasses those of us that hunt, fish and shoot by a significant margin then it very well could become an issue.
 
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