Edward Snowden: American Hero

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n_huffhines said:
Are you serious? Betraying bad causes is good.
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If you are in turn breaking the law in the process you are not good. It's clear we are not going to agree on this one important point and we will go on for about 100 pages and still not agree. It is the very basis of this entire situation.
 
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BearCat204 said:
If you are in turn breaking the law in the process you are not good. It's clear we are not going to agree on this one important point and we will go on for about 100 pages and still not agree. It is the very basis of this entire situation.
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Really man? If you break the law you're not good?
 
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BearCat204 said:
Christ, you are turning an example of perspective into something that is chasing the rabbit down the rabbit hole.
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You brought up an example to explain your position. If the actors in your example are not like the actors in our discussion, why is it a useful example?
 
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Vol8188 said:
Really man? If you break the law you're not good?
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In this case, no............but lets set a precedent that anyone charged with sensitive information can release it to whomever they want, as long as they think the USG is doing something bad or illegal. Lets leave it up to that individual to disseminate that information to whomever they feel comfortable.
 
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n_huffhines said:
Is he a hero to you, tho? Traitors can be heroes
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no. i wouldn't turn him over to the Brits, but that still wouldn't be heroism. the guy stood up for what he believed in, while in China. not heroic. a good thing yes, heroic no. if you have to hide from an action its not heroic.
 
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BearCat204 said:
In this case, no............but lets set a precedent that anyone charged with sensitive information can release it to whomever they want, as long as they thing the USG is doing something bad or illegal. Lets leave it up to that individual to disseminate that information to whomever they feel comfortable.
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I don't think that. I think Snowden should be charged and pardoned. In this case, the sensitive info he shared isn't hurting Americans and it checked government overreach. Hero
 
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LouderVol said:
no. i wouldn't turn him over to the Brits, but that still wouldn't be heroism. the guy stood up for what he believed in, while in China. not heroic. a good thing yes, heroic no. if you have to hide from an action its not heroic.
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That's not the definition of hero. That's an oddly specific criteria for heroism. Anne Frank hid. Not a hero
 
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BearCat204 said:
In this case, no............but lets set a precedent that anyone charged with sensitive information can release it to whomever they want, as long as they think the USG is doing something bad or illegal. Lets leave it up to that individual to disseminate that information to whomever they feel comfortable.
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How about we base it on the information they release, as opposed to your absurd slippery slope.

Like I said earlier, illegally activities typically make contracts void. Here the contract in question (the NDA) was based on him keeping illegal information. Just like how if I had you sign a contract agreeing not to testify against me in a murder, this contract also should be void.
 
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n_huffhines said:
I don't think that. I think Snowden should be charged and pardoned. In this case, the sensitive info he shared isn't hurting Americans and it checked government overreach. Hero
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Not hero, he was charged with sensitive information and released it......bottom line. There is no wiggle room here and there are avenues that have been created to properly whistleblow. We will never agree on this and there is no way in hell he should be pardoned.
 
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BearCat204 said:
Not hero, he was charged with sensitive information and released it......bottom line.
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You're trying to DQ him on a technicality. Look at the consequences of what he did for the American people and the risk and sacrifice on his part. You have to DQ him on a technicality cause you got nothing else.
 
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Vol8188 said:
How about we base it on the information they release, as opposed to your absurd slippery slope.

Like I said earlier, illegally activities typically make contracts void. Here the contract in question (the NDA) was based on him keeping illegal information. Just like how if I had you sign a contract agreeing not to testify against me in a murder, this contract also should be void.
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And you say I am using a slippery slope.


If he thinks there has been illegal activity by the USG then he is to use the approved avenues that protect whistleblowers. When you go outside that, you have nothing to stand on. You might need to read your "AFI" again on contracts and NDA's.
 
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n_huffhines said:
You're trying to DQ him on a technicality. Look at the consequences of what he did for the American people and the risk and sacrifice on his part. You have to DQ him on a technicality cause you got nothing else.
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Its not a technicality. "I got nothing else?" How retarded, he signed an oath to not release any information he was charged with unless using the proper avenues of reporting. How is that a technicality?
 
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n_huffhines said:
That's not the definition of hero. That's an oddly specific criteria for heroism. Anne Frank hid. Not a hero
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what? apparently, I have much higher/different standards for heroes. a lot of Jews hid from the Germans for years. the only reason she is known is because of her diary. not diminishing what she did/went through, just not what i call heroic.

heroic is a knight riding out to face the enemy army to give the town enough time to flee. generalized standard for me on what heroic is. a kid standing up to bullies, heroic. someone risking their life to save another, heroic. in all cases the hero has to be physically present, has to face the danger face to face. make a stand when they are uncomfortable when they know they are at risk and don't take their well being into consideration. not saying they have to be martyred but they have to be willing to be the martyr. Snowden proved he wasn't willing to take the bullet to prove his point.
 
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BearCat204 said:
And you say I am using a slippery slope.


If he thinks there has been illegal activity by the USG then he is to use the approved avenues that protect whistleblowers. When you go outside that, you have nothing to stand on. You might need to read your "AFI" again on contracts and NDA's.
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How am I using a slippery slope? This is exactly what happened. The U.S. Government took part in illegal activities and he pointed it out. Just like any other contract, illegal activities should also nullify a NDA.
 
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