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DEFENDTHISHOUSE said:
No, you guys just think there should be a law for everything. When in reality that's the problem, we have entirely too many laws on the books as is.
A crime is commited when persons or property is damaged. How is that hard to understand?
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Quite the contrary. I think there are too many laws also. And I agree philosophically that a crime hasn't been committed until person or property has been violated/damaged. However, you have to dumb it down to the lowest common denominator because people are idiots. Some on here think it is OK to go get knee wobbling drunk and get behind the wheel. I agree if you are the only one in jeopardy. Kill yourself, I do not care one little bit. However, if you kill someone else, that is completely different. What is the restitution for that? How can you say that it was the persons right to get behind the wheel when the potential was there to kill someone besides themselves. That is why there are laws against the idiocy you advocate with your AnCap crap.
 
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It's simple really. You guys believe in a system of coercion that uses threat of violence to obtain compliance from the populace. Using the threat of a cage or a gun.

Me being an anarchist, I do not believe in using violence against my fellow man. Using violence is only justified for self defense.

Oh sure, you guys don't actually commit the violence yourself, you let your elected officials and enforcers do your bidding.
 
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DEFENDTHISHOUSE said:
It's simple really. You guys believe in a system of coercion that uses threat of violence to obtain compliance from the populace. Using the threat of a cage or a gun.

Me being an anarchist, I do not believe in using violence against my fellow man. Using violence is only justified for self defense.

Oh sure, you guys don't actually commit the violence yourself, you let your elected officials and enforcers do your bidding.
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Wat violence has occurred if you are locked up?
 
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#7,154
DEFENDTHISHOUSE said:
No, you guys just think there should be a law for everything. When in reality that's the problem, we have entirely too many laws on the books as is.
A crime is commited when persons or property is damaged. How is that hard to understand?
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I agree there are too many laws on the books as it stands. And I completely understand that enforcing them is not easy nor really that needed.

However, comparing cops, "not any good cops" to coin your phrase, to concentration camp guards is completely and totally off the mark. You know it, I know it, everyone else knows it. You're going straight Alex Jones with that kind of thinking and contrary to your An-Cap philosophy. Even in your world, they believe in law enforcement to a degree. Contracted security is what I think the proper term is, but still enforces laws as it stands.

Do us all a favor and just admit that article was way, way, way over the top.
 
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SpaceCoastVol said:
Quite the contrary. I think there are too many laws also. And I agree philosophically that a crime hasn't been committed until person or property has been violated/damaged. However, you have to dumb it down to the lowest common denominator because people are idiots. Some on here think it is OK to go get knee wobbling drunk and get behind the wheel. I agree if you are the only one in jeopardy. Kill yourself, I do not care one little bit. However, if you kill someone else, that is completely different. What is the restitution for that? How can you say that it was the persons right to get behind the wheel when the potential was there to kill someone besides themselves. That is why there are laws against the idiocy you advocate with your AnCap crap.
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I simply believe people can make their own choices, then of course they can live with the outcome good/bad.
 
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Grand Vol said:
I agree there are too many laws on the books as it stands. And I completely understand that enforcing them is not easy nor really that needed.

However, comparing cops, "not any good cops" to coin your phrase, to concentration camp guards is completely and totally off the mark. You know it, I know it, everyone else knows it. You're going straight Alex Jones with that kind of thinking and contrary to your An-Cap philosophy. Even in your world, they believe in law enforcement to a degree. Contracted security is what I think the proper term is, but still enforces laws as it stands.

Do us all a favor and just admit that article was way, way, way over the top.
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The only way in which the article compared the two groups is in how they rationalize what they do.
 
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Grand Vol said:
I agree there are too many laws on the books as it stands. And I completely understand that enforcing them is not easy nor really that needed.

However, comparing cops, "not any good cops" to coin your phrase, to concentration camp guards is completely and totally off the mark. You know it, I know it, everyone else knows it. You're going straight Alex Jones with that kind of thinking and contrary to your An-Cap philosophy. Even in your world, they believe in law enforcement to a degree. Contracted security is what I think the proper term is, but still enforces laws as it stands.

Do us all a favor and just admit that article was way, way, way over the top.
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You are missing the point. He didn't directly compare them to nazis. It's simply the same mindset.(following orders) The article was not over the top, it's right on point.
 
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apevol said:
Have you ever been locked up?
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You know what the point of my argument is. The state or municipality that has locked you up does not commit violence against you. It is the animal locked in there with you that does the violence. In a perfect AnCap world, prison should be a wonderful place to get a college degree without all the distractions of the modern world. Quiet, peaceful. Except that people in prison don't act that way now do they?
 
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SpaceCoastVol said:
If you kill someone by driving drunk, how has the dead person benefitted then by your acceptance of the outcome of your poor decisions?
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Then a crime is committed. Insurance companies will make the victims family whole with the victims policy. Then the driver will stand accused of his crime and be judged.
 
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SpaceCoastVol said:
You know what the point of my argument is. The state or municipality that has locked you up does not commit violence against you. It is the animal locked in there with you that does the violence. In a perfect AnCap world, prison should be a wonderful place to get a college degree without all the distractions of the modern world. Quiet, peaceful. Except that people in prison don't act that way now do they?
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Space, don't speak of things you know nothing about.
An ancap prison would likely be far worse than anything we have today.
 
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DEFENDTHISHOUSE said:
You are missing the point. He didn't directly compare them to nazis. It's simply the same mindset.(following orders) The article was not over the top, it's right on point.
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BS.

I'm going to blow a hole in your theory right now.

Exhibit A: Cop pulls you over for doing 85 in a 70 zone. Tells you to slow down, sends you on your way.

Using discretion, right? By "following orders" they should be giving a citation out each and every time, right? But they don't.

Exhibit B: Nazi concentration camp guard herds a group towards the gas chamber. No remorse, no deciding to stop because they felt like giving a break to someone. Zero discretion. They know if they don't send a person in, they'll be taking their place in line.

Theory that "cops always follow orders just like the Nazis" blown apart.

The article is so stupid I don't even know why I'm taking the time to argue it. The author ignores the countless times a cop does let someone go for a minor violation of the law.

And I can't even believe you are trying to argue for it.
 
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DEFENDTHISHOUSE said:
Then a crime is committed. Insurance companies will make the victims family whole with the victims policy. Then the driver will stand accused of his crime and be judged.
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Nope.....wrong again....the guy doesn't have to have insurance bc it's a victimless crime also...don't think money makes a family whole anyways... That's stupid
 
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SpaceCoastVol said:
You know what the point of my argument is. The state or municipality that has locked you up does not commit violence against you. It is the animal locked in there with you that does the violence. In a perfect AnCap world, prison should be a wonderful place to get a college degree without all the distractions of the modern world. Quiet, peaceful. Except that people in prison don't act that way now do they?
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I consider theft a form of violence. Locking someone up unjustly is, imo theft.
 
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Grand Vol said:
BS.

I'm going to blow a hole in your theory right now.

Exhibit A: Cop pulls you over for doing 85 in a 70 zone. Tells you to slow down, sends you on your way.

Using discretion, right? By "following orders" they should be giving a citation out each and every time, right? But they don't.

Exhibit B: Nazi concentration camp guard herds a group towards the gas chamber. No remorse, no deciding to stop because they felt like giving a break to someone. Zero discretion. They know if they don't send a person in, they'll be taking their place in line.

Theory that "cops always follow orders just like the Nazis" blown apart.

The article is so stupid I don't even know why I'm taking the time to argue it. The author ignores the countless times a cop does let someone go for a minor violation of the law.

And I can't even believe you are trying to argue for it.
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Congratulations... You just "blew up" an argument no one was trying to make.
 
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Let me ask you this DTH, if memory serves you work in a job that requires serious regulations and safety rules, correct?

Do you always follow the rules? Do you always follow them to the letter? Are you brainwashed to enforce those regulations and rules on others?

So you, not unlike the Nazis, are a mindless automaton that follows rules without questioning them. And why? Because people could get hurt if they don't follow those rules? I mean, those rules can be bent, right? It's not hurting anyone to bend or break them. Just because it might happen doesn't mean it will happen. So no need for the safety rules and regulations since it won't matter until someone does get hurt.
 
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Cdywolfe said:
Congratulations... You just "blew up" an argument no one was trying to make.
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I beg to differ. From the article:

A rather dramatic example happened at the Nuremberg trials: “Yeah, I helped exterminate innocent people, but I was just following orders! I’m not to blame!” And while Americans condemn the Nazis for that cop-out, EVERY “law enforcer” in this whole damn country uses the EXACT same excuse. “Hey, I’m just doing my job.”
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If that's not a direct comparison of police to Nazis I don't know what is.

Perhaps you should bow out at this point. I really don't want to get started on you again and the complete lack of accountability in your profession where people's lives are cut short without even so much as a grand jury hearing.
 
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Grand Vol said:
BS.

I'm going to blow a hole in your theory right now.

Exhibit A: Cop pulls you over for doing 85 in a 70 zone. Tells you to slow down, sends you on your way.

Using discretion, right? By "following orders" they should be giving a citation out each and every time, right? But they don't.

Exhibit B: Nazi concentration camp guard herds a group towards the gas chamber. No remorse, no deciding to stop because they felt like giving a break to someone. Zero discretion. They know if they don't send a person in, they'll be taking their place in line.

Theory that "cops always follow orders just like the Nazis" blown apart.

The article is so stupid I don't even know why I'm taking the time to argue it. The author ignores the countless times a cop does let someone go for a minor violation of the law.

And I can't even believe you are trying to argue for it.
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There are no good cops. Only bad cops and silent cops. It's the profession I rail against, not the individual. I have always cited discretion as the most valuable tool available to the cop outside of his defense weapons.

Are good people cops? Sure, but these people still use threats of violence and outright violence at times to enforce "laws"
 
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Grand Vol said:
Let me ask you this DTH, if memory serves you work in a job that requires serious regulations and safety rules, correct?

Do you always follow the rules? Do you always follow them to the letter? Are you brainwashed to enforce those regulations and rules on others?

So you, not unlike the Nazis, are a mindless automaton that follows rules without questioning them. And why? Because people could get hurt if they don't follow those rules? I mean, those rules can be bent, right? It's not hurting anyone to bend or break them. Just because it might happen doesn't mean it will happen. So no need for the safety rules and regulations since it won't matter until someone does get hurt.
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Yes, I'm under contract to my employer to follow all the safety rules. If I break them at any time I can lose my job of 22 years. You see that's the thing GV, I voluntarily agreed to that. There is nothing voluntary about the things you're talking about.
 
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