Hope Butch incorporates some pro elements...

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Vol8188 said:
It also got him drafted in the first round, even though he couldn't hit he broad side of a barn from 10 yards.
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From 10 yards? Tebow completed over 66% of his passes in college. NFL arm? Probably not but don't exaggerate.
 
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GLDunlap said:
From 10 yards? Tebow completed over 66% of his passes in college. NFL arm? Probably not but don't exaggerate.
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He has one of the worst arms of any NFL starter over the last decade. That's not an exaggeration.
 
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ntxVOL said:
First, I am not convinced a spread offense works that well without a mobile QB. Not going under center limits the running game too much IMO.

My premise for something becoming the norm in the NFL is that is what drives the college game to a certain extent. If players want to get to the NFL they first must fit the mold the NFL places upon them. Especially at QB.
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I agree and what bothers me most from what I've seen from this offense is how many times we stay in shotgun on 3rd and 1 or inside the 5 yard line. That is the epitome of finesse football even when you have a mobile QB.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
I agree and what bothers me most from what I've seen from this offense is how many times we stay in shotgun on 3rd and 1 or inside the 5 yard line. That is the epitome of finesse football even when you have a mobile QB.
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Teams are better in short yardage situations from the gun. Because now they can read one of your players and effectively block him with the qb. When you go under center you lose that advantage in obvious run situations.
 
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Vol8188 said:
That's your definition of "pro style"?

Once a game we go under center?
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Pro style offenses have always incorporated spread elements. Those teams can go 4 or 5 wide when they need to.

Spread offenses typically never line up the TE alongside a tackle and the QB never goes under center. There are so many variations of spread offenses now a days that the lines are often blurred. It is a term that has been way over used IMO.
 
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This thread is pointless. You're concerned Dobbs won't get drafted high because our offense has no "pro elements". Marcus Mariota's offense was similar at Oregon. He got drafted second overall. Where exactly are your concerns coming from? lol
 
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Vol8188 said:
Teams are better in short yardage situations from the gun. Because now they can read one of your players and effectively block him with the qb. When you go under center you lose that advantage in obvious run situations.
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That would require a mobile QB.
 
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ntxVOL said:
Pro style offenses have always incorporated spread elements. Those teams can go 4 or 5 wide when they need to.

Spread offenses typically never line up the TE alongside a tackle and the QB never goes under center. There are so many variations of spread offenses now a days that the lines are often blurred. It is a term that has been way over used IMO.
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once again, pick a topic first. Then I'll be glad to debate with you. Right now you're all over the place.
 
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OP is the master of making absolute statement threads...they never hold up because of that pesky reality thing. :hmm:
 
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ntxVOL said:
That would require a mobile QB.
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And that's where you're wrong.

Creating the New Joe Cool «

If you scroll down to the second gif, watch that and then read the paragraph below it about run/pass options. It's what everyone (Tennessee, Auburn, New England, Denver, Green Bay, and every other spread team) does when they need to keep a defender at home, but they also don't want their qb to run.
 
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fade route said:
I don't think Dobbs is an NFL caliber QB. JMO
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Not an unprecedented thought from you, but I would wait until the end of his first full year as starter before making that claim. It could make you look silly. Besides, Isn't that statement something akin to the pre-season polls you hate so much? :thud:
 
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Vol8188 said:
Andy Dalton, Alex Smith, Colin Kapernick, Russell Wilson, Cam Newton.

Almost everyone one of them.

Edit: remove Alex smith, I was looking at 2014.
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Forgot about Aaron Rodgers. I'd even include Romo
 
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tri_vol said:
Forgot about Aaron Rodgers. I'd even include Romo
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I wouldn't. Neither of those offenses are designed specifically for a mobile QB. That is where I think there is some disconnect here. It is one thing to have a QB who can run a few times when he needs to (even Elway was good at that) but another to design your offense such that the QB is expected to run the ball.
 
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ntxVOL said:
I wouldn't. Neither of those offenses are designed specifically for a mobile QB. That is where I think there is some disconnect here. It is one thing to have a QB who can run a few times when he needs to (even Elway was good at that) but another to design your offense such that the QB is expected to run the ball.
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So it's not mobile vs non mobile qbs you want to talk about. It's offenses that incorporate mobile qbs? Is that correct?
 
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Vol8188 said:
I just have no clue what you want to debate. Spread offenses, mobile qbs, spread qbs, etc.
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My whole argument against a spread offense is based on my belief that they won't work at the highest level without a mobile QB.

Furthermore, it is also my belief that the NFL doesn't have much room for a true running QB. A QB must be able to do much much more than run the ball. The skills required to become an elite QB in the NFL take time to develop and thus the QB must be protected to allow for that time.

Based on these beliefs, I am not convinced some of these college offenses will stand the test of time.
 
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Vol8188 said:
So it's not mobile vs non mobile qbs you want to talk about. It's offenses that incorporate mobile qbs? Is that correct?
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Yes, mobile is one thing, but an offense designed around a QBs ability to run the ball is a problem.
 
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ntxVOL said:
My whole argument against a spread offense is based on my belief that they won't work at the highest level without a mobile QB.

Furthermore, it is also my belief that the NFL doesn't have much room for a true running QB. A QB must be able to do much much more than run the ball. The skills required to become an elite QB in the NFL take time to develop and thus the QB must be protected to allow for that time.

Based on these beliefs, I am not convinced some of these college offenses will stand the test of time.
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So can a spread offense work without a mobile qb? That's the question.

The answer is simple: Philly, NE, GB, Denver. The top 4 offenses in the NFL. All spread offenses. None of them have mobile qbs (except Rodgers, who isn't used as a mobile qb).
 
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ntxVOL said:
My whole argument against a spread offense is based on my belief that they won't work at the highest level without a mobile QB.

Furthermore, it is also my belief that the NFL doesn't have much room for a true running QB. A QB must be able to do much much more than run the ball. The skills required to become an elite QB in the NFL take time to develop and thus the QB must be protected to allow for that time.

Based on these beliefs, I am not convinced some of these college offenses will stand the test of time.
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Denver, New England & Green Bay all run a spread offense. All highly successful with a statute qb, slightly mobile and extremely mobile qbs.
 
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Vol8188 said:
So can a spread offense work without a mobile qb? That's the question.

The answer is simple: Philly, NE, GB, Denver. The top 4 offenses in the NFL. All spread offenses. None of them have mobile qbs (except Rodgers, who isn't used as a mobile qb).
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Philly hasn't won anything, I am talking about winning at the highest level.

Those other QBs developed their skills from a pro-style offense. If you put an accomplished elite passer in any offense he will likely thrive.
 
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tri_vol said:
Denver, New England & Green Bay all run a spread offense. All highly successful with a statute qb, slightly mobile and extremely mobile qbs.
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If you include Philly you have the top 4 offenses in the league.....but we want to run the I formation like the Jets! Because that's what works in the pros!
 
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