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MercyPercy said:
So your argument is "Alcohol is bad enough, why legalize/decriminalize other drugs?"

Is that really the angle you want to take here? I'll give you a minute to rethink your strategy because you obviously aren't prepared to give a satisfactory explanation for why you believe what you believe. And hopefully your new argument will also address your views on individual freedoms and government control.
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Move to San Frisco hippy..... Problem solved
 
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Vol8188 said:
Excited delirium following use of synthetic cathinones (bath salts)
http://ajp.psychiatryonline.org/doi/full/10.1176/appi.ajp.2011.11010176

I can provide examples of this with prescription drug abuse, but I'm on my phone so I dont have full text access.
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Neither of these were actual studies of the drugs. The bath salts claims "violent behavior" but I saw no reference or examples listed for the violent behavior. The one about spice just picked 10 random kids who were diagnosed with psychosis. 8 of those kids were using other drugs. And one of them had a previous family history.

Neither link proved anything. I bet all ten of those kids drunk milk also. They probably even take showers most days.[/QUOTE]

Why did you point that 8 kids were using other drugs in addition to the synthetic cannabinoid? What does that have to do with the price of tea in China?
 
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tim said:
So what? Portugal and Mexico have 2 things in common, a shatty quality of life and a liberal view on drugs. Have at it. I'll take the war on drugs and cash my fat checks and arrest people for committing "victimless" crimes.
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I dunno. I have a buddy that lives in Portugal and he loves it.

I think our laws on drugs are very liberal, philosophically speakinG. It's the government controlling what you can put on your own body. It's like banning caffeine because it's addictive and not good for you.
 
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Carl Pickens said:
It's not an argument ..... It's a statement
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Obviously. The point being, you don't have an argument for why alcohol should be legal but other drugs should not. You're a hypocrite.

If you think drugs that can be harmful to the person using them and/or the people around them should not be legal, logically, you would feel the same way about alcohol. There's simply no explanation for why you wouldn't want to prohibit alcohol, unless.. you don't really care about individual freedoms, even though I'm sure you complain about the government overstepping boundaries on here all the time. Yet, you cannot see the irony of your position here? You don't mind government control at all, until it effects you. Like most people.
 
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I'm all for drug legalization, but if you guys get booze banned, I'm gonna be pissed...
 
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MercyPercy said:
Obviously. The point being, you don't have an argument for why alcohol should be legal but other drugs should not. You're a hypocrite.

If you think drugs that can be harmful to the person using them and/or the people around them should not be legal, logically, you would feel the same way about alcohol. There's simply no explanation for why you wouldn't want to prohibit alcohol, unless.. you don't really care about individual freedoms, even though I'm sure you complain about the government overstepping boundaries on here all the time. Yet, you cannot see the irony of your position here? You don't mind government control at all, until it effects you. Like most people.
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Excellent post sir.
 
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jp1 said:
Neither of these were actual studies of the drugs. The bath salts claims "violent behavior" but I saw no reference or examples listed for the violent behavior. The one about spice just picked 10 random kids who were diagnosed with psychosis. 8 of those kids were using other drugs. And one of them had a previous family history.

Neither link proved anything. I bet all ten of those kids drunk milk also. They probably even take showers most days.

Why did you point that 8 kids were using other drugs in addition to the synthetic cannabinoid? What does that have to do with the price of tea in China?
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It means we don't know what caused this.
 
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jp1 said:
It means we don't know what caused this.

The other drugs couldn't have caused it.
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We don't actually know what caused it. It could have been anything. You do know that people without a history of pyschosis are diagnosed everyday, right?
 
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Vol8188 said:
We don't actually know what caused it. It could have been anything. You do know that people without a history of pyschosis are diagnosed everyday, right?
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That magically resolve when the drug has been metabolized from their syste? You're correct it could be anything, but what is likely here? We have had the exact scenerio in our ER. Again, why did you point out the other drugs that the patients were using?
 
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jp1 said:
We don't actually know what caused it. It could have been anything. You do know that people without a history of pyschosis are diagnosed everyday, right?

That magically resolve when the drug has been metabolized from their syste? You're correct it could be anything, but what is likely here? We have had the exact scenerio in our ER. Again, why did you point out the other drugs that the patients were using?
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Because you don't seem to understand the difference from correlation and causation.

Just because 10 random people from all over the United states all smoked spice and were later found to have pychosis proves absolutely nothing.

Especially since this was no form of a study. Instead they cherry picked 10 people after the fact.

I could find 10 people diagnosed with psychosis who all take blood pressure medication. Do you believe blood pressure medication causes people to go crazy?

Millions of people use or have used spice. Ten people who were using other drugs also, later found to have psychosis shows absolutely nothing.
 
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Because you don't seem to understand the difference from correlation and causation.

Just because 10 random people from all over the United states all smoked spice and were later found to have pychosis proves absolutely nothing.

Especially since this was no form of a study. Instead they cherry picked 10 people after the fact.

I could find 10 people diagnosed with psychosis who all take blood pressure medication. Do you believe blood pressure medication causes people to go crazy?

Millions of people use or have used spice. Ten people who were using other drugs also, later found to have psychosis shows absolutely nothing.
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Good grief will you just admit you are wrong or quit arguing this point. Go to pubmed.org and search drug induced psychosis, delirium, or whatver othe behavioral issue you want to come up with and get back with me. Have a good day.
 
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