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volbeast33 said:
I have never done illegal drugs, never smoked pot, and never been drunk a day in my life. The reason I made those choices was bc my dad was an alcoholic and I saw how it changed him when he drank extremely heavily. He has been quit for 20 yrs and is a completely different man than the one before.

I also had a best friend that was an honor student, great guy, wouldnt steal or harm another person and I saw how getting into meth changed and destroyed his life. Those are just two examples that I have personally witnessed.

I see daily how legal drugs change patient's from violent to mellow, makes them confused to the point to where they don't know the difference between right and wrong, seen drugs that causes people to hallucinate and think they are fighting a demon or seeing ghosts.

If u need a name of a specific drug, I cant give u that and don't need a study to feel the way I do when I have seen it first hand.
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It didn't change your dad. It just made it more difficult for him to suppress urges that were already there. That's what I'm trying to say. Drugs don't make you a bad person.

You're already a bad person. You're just more willing to let it out on drugs. But the drug isn't to blame, you are.
 
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volbeast33 said:
I have never done illegal drugs, never smoked pot, and never been drunk a day in my life. The reason I made those choices was bc my dad was an alcoholic and I saw how it changed him when he drank extremely heavily. He has been quit for 20 yrs and is a completely different man than the one before.

I also had a best friend that was an honor student, great guy, wouldnt steal or harm another person and I saw how getting into meth changed and destroyed his life. Those are just two examples that I have personally witnessed.

I see daily how legal drugs change patient's from violent to mellow, makes them confused to the point to where they don't know the difference between right and wrong, seen drugs that causes people to hallucinate and think they are fighting a demon or seeing ghosts.

If u need a name of a specific drug, I cant give u that and don't need a study to feel the way I do when I have seen it first hand.
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I'm sorry about your friend and father, but those are personal issues of willpower, not the drugs themselves.

Think of "guns don't kill people..."
 
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Example: I love cocaine. I love the aesthetic feel of cocaine. I love how cocaine makes me feel, think, and act towards people.

However, I choose not to do it because I know I (emphasis on the person, not the substance) love it a little too much.

The buck stops with YOU when it comes to putting things in your nose or slamming it into your arm.
 
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DinkinFlicka said:
Example: I love cocaine. I love the aesthetic feel of cocaine. I love how cocaine makes me feel, think, and act towards people.

However, I choose not to do it because I know I (emphasis on the person, not the substance) love it a little too much.

The buck stops with YOU when it comes to putting things in your nose or slamming it into your arm.
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Not even a little bump to celebrate opening the new bar?
 
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DinkinFlicka said:
I'm sorry about your friend and father, but those are personal issues of willpower, not the drugs themselves.

Think of "guns don't kill people..."
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I agree with part of that....will power is the addiction part which enhances the negative part of drug use but drugs are created to change moods, personalities, and release inhibitions or no one would take them.
 
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volbeast33 said:
I agree with part of that....will power is the addiction part which enhances the negative part of drug use but drugs are created to change moods, personalities, and release inhibitions or no one would take them.
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People take them for euphoria and endorphins.
 
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DinkinFlicka said:
Example: I love cocaine. I love the aesthetic feel of cocaine. I love how cocaine makes me feel, think, and act towards people.

However, I choose not to do it because I know I (emphasis on the person, not the substance) love it a little too much.

The buck stops with YOU when it comes to putting things in your nose or slamming it into your arm.
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That I agree with and wasn't discussing
 
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Vol8188 said:
Just to be clear,

You're admitting that no drug you know of changes ones ability to tell right from wrong?

If you can name a drug and show me the studies,then let's talk about them. But to just say "addiction changes people" is a weak argument.
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Excited delirium following use of synthetic cathinones (bath salts)
http://ajp.psychiatryonline.org/doi/full/10.1176/appi.ajp.2011.11010176

I can provide examples of this with prescription drug abuse, but I'm on my phone so I dont have full text access.
 
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jp1 said:
We have an entire unit of my hospital devoted to the care of these children. It stays full 20+ beds every day. Do I need to link journal articles too?
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Yes, you do. None of us know if you even practice medicine. Even if you did, you wouldn't be allowed to share the required information. Therefore, peer reviewed sources are your only option.
 
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jp1 said:
QUOTE=Vol8188;11355213]Just to be clear,

You're admitting that no drug you know of changes ones ability to tell right from wrong?

If you can name a drug and show me the studies,then let's talk about them. But to just say "addiction changes people" is a weak argument.
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Excited delirium following use of synthetic cathinones (bath salts)
http://ajp.psychiatryonline.org/doi/full/10.1176/appi.ajp.2011.11010176

I can provide examples of this with prescription drug abuse, but I'm on my phone so I dont have full text access.[/QUOTE]

Neither of these were actual studies of the drugs. The bath salts claims "violent behavior" but I saw no reference or examples listed for the violent behavior. The one about spice just picked 10 random kids who were diagnosed with psychosis. 8 of those kids were using other drugs. And one of them had a previous family history.

Neither link proved anything. I bet all ten of those kids drunk milk also. They probably even take showers most days.
 
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Until we as a nation come to realize the problem of victimless crimes, we will continue down the road to a police state.

If there is no victim, how can it be a crime?
 
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