Coleman Thomas Arrested - charges dropped 4/15

[VolNExile]

This is an extremely misinformed post. Claims that MJ is not addictive or that cessation can not lead to serious withdrawal symptoms are, quite simply, untrue. There is an abundance of medical literature (which I have referenced in another prior thread) that shows, without any reasonable doubt, that MJ (like any psychoactive drug) is both addictive and has a withdrawal syndrome.

I greatly appreciate your expertise and what you do for kids :hi:, but the research on MJ is greatly skewed by the federal government's determined resistance to open scientific inquiry in the area.

fwiw (not much), I know some long-time pot users, few of whom would be described as stoners, and I do think that they minimize the impact of pot on their brains ("I drive just fine!!" --I don't ride as a passenger when they're under the influence), but for the overwhelming majority, it appears to be pretty innocuous. I see a lot more people who are seriously impaired (including their performance at work the next day) by alcohol than by pot.

Due to the heavy-handed interference by the government on MJ research, we really don't know what happens with long-term users. I suspect that there are a fair number of physical (as opposed to mental health) issues associated with smoking pot, including that serious pot smoking seems to cause lung damage in a lot of folks. It's ridiculous to pretend that inhaling any kind of smoke doesn't make your lungs unhappy over the long run.

In the end, due to politics (including whatever monetary influence comes from the legal drug industry), we really don't know what we need to know about a pretty popular substance used/abused by many.

Humans do seem to like to intoxicate themselves/ ourselves. I'd really like to see some dispassionate research on all this.

 

[kiddiedoc]

I greatly appreciate your expertise and what you do for kids :hi:, but the research on MJ is greatly skewed by the federal government's determined resistance to open scientific inquiry in the area.

fwiw (not much), I know some long-time pot users, few of whom would be described as stoners, and I do think that they minimize the impact of pot on their brains ("I drive just fine!!" --I don't ride as a passenger when they're under the influence), bit for the overwhelming majority, it appears to be pretty innocuous. I see a lot more people who are seriously impaired (including their performance at work the next day) by alcohol than by pot.

Due to the heavy-handed interference by the government on MJ research, we really don't know what happens with long-term users. I suspect that there are a fair number of physical (as opposed to mental health) issues associated with smoking pot, including that serious pot smoking seems to cause lung damage in a lot of folks. It's ridiculous to pretend that inhaling any kind of smoke doesn't make your lungs unhappy over the long run.

In the end, due to politics (including whatever monetary influence comes from the legal drug industry), we really don't know what we need to know about a pretty popular substance used/abused by many.

Humans do seem to like to intoxicate themselves/ ourselves. I'd really like to see some dispassionate research on all this.

Actually, peer-reviewed literature is not subject to financial bias, be it from pharmaceutical companies or the government. Any physician with experience in the area will be able to give testament to the validity. I've seen withdrawal, in a serious way, firsthand. I've seen people steal and injure people on account of MJ. I've seen psychosis that is explained best by chronic MJ use. You can't discount what I have witnessed firsthand.

It never ceases to amaze me how people defend pot. It has psychoactive properties, and any substance with them has the potential for abuse, addiction, and withdrawal (including alcohol, nicotine, and caffeine. The argument "I know people who smoke pot and are successful" is ludicrous. There are plentiful professionals that recreationally use cocaine, pain meds, etc.

 

[VolNExile]

I meant more in the area of it being difficult to get permission to run the studies, including supplying the MJ. I do think that the pharmaceutical lobbies have some undue influence. I don't see a whole lot of difference between pot and etoh, as opposed to meth, coke, etc. It's not innocuous, but it's not on the level of the other illegals.

I respect your viewpoint, though.

--and yes, I've seen stoners, too. There definitely seems to be a correlation between what age one starts and how badly one is affected.

 

[Volman1993]

Run his dumb @$$ out of here immediately.....

Unacceptable and unworthy of wearing the orange.

Not to mention the fact that he couldn't guard a dog if it were tied to his bedpost.....

We can do better.

 

[Wilson27]

Actually, peer-reviewed literature is not subject to financial bias, be it from pharmaceutical companies or the government. Any physician with experience in the area will be able to give testament to the validity. I've seen withdrawal, in a serious way, firsthand. I've seen people steal and injure people on account of MJ. I've seen psychosis that is explained best by chronic MJ use. You can't discount what I have witnessed firsthand.

It never ceases to amaze me how people defend pot. It has psychoactive properties, and any substance with them has the potential for abuse, addiction, and withdrawal (including alcohol, nicotine, and caffeine. The argument "I know people who smoke pot and are successful" is ludicrous. There are plentiful professionals that recreationally use cocaine, pain meds, etc.[/QUOT

Everything you say is true but still believe alcohol is far worse for society as a whole....and no I'm not a smoker. I have seen it used for pain management successfully in place of drugs that will kill you if one gets addicted.

 

[LibertyVolance]

This is most depressing on a human level. Sad.

 

[Catbone]

These kids and their xbox's... everyone know Playstation is the best console.

PC > PS4 > Xbone

PC master race

 

[OH-Vol]

He was originally supposed to be the lookout, however his friends realized everyone would simply run right around him to the crime scene

 

[Vol_is_Lyfe18]

This is an extremely misinformed post. Claims that MJ is not addictive or that cessation can not lead to serious withdrawal symptoms are, quite simply, untrue. There is an abundance of medical literature (which I have referenced in another prior thread) that shows, without any reasonable doubt, that MJ (like any psychoactive drug) is both addictive and has a withdrawal syndrome.

There really are close to no withdrawals. Physical withdrawals are non-existent, and mental withdrawals are minor. Uniformed, I am not.

 

[titansvolsfaninga]

There really are close to no withdrawals. Physical withdrawals are non-existent, and mental withdrawals are minor. Uniformed, I am not.

possibly everyone is different.

 

[Vol_is_Lyfe18]

possibly everyone is different.

For sure, but physical withdrawals don't exist. You won't find a stoner who's been sober for a couple of days shaking in the bathtub. Now meth, heroin, crack, just about any other drug on the planet...different story.

 

[GLDunlap]

I've been a pot head, and a pill addict in the past. I've never stolen anything from anyone, or anywhere in my life. I've never been a violent person either. There are still some honorable addicts in the world. Just because they have a problem, doesn't mean they're all bad people or criminals. Don't lump us all into one group.

You are right sorry ainge10heisman I didn't mean to imply that. Was just trying to distinguish between the less addictive drugs and the severely addictive drugs that will make some go to extreme measures for a fix.

 

[GLDunlap]

This is an extremely misinformed post. Claims that MJ is not addictive or that cessation can not lead to serious withdrawal symptoms are, quite simply, untrue. There is an abundance of medical literature (which I have referenced in another prior thread) that shows, without any reasonable doubt, that MJ (like any psychoactive drug) is both addictive and has a withdrawal syndrome.

Medical literature? Give me some real life experiencers not Federally funded mumbo jumbo. Sure there will be some withdrawal after long term use but its more comparable to quitting coffee or diet cokes not meth or heroine. MJ wirhdrawals won't make you go rob a CVS or anything.

 

[GLDunlap]

Actually, peer-reviewed literature is not subject to financial bias, be it from pharmaceutical companies or the government. Any physician with experience in the area will be able to give testament to the validity. I've seen withdrawal, in a serious way, firsthand. I've seen people steal and injure people on account of MJ. I've seen psychosis that is explained best by chronic MJ use. You can't discount what I have witnessed firsthand.

It never ceases to amaze me how people defend pot. It has psychoactive properties, and any substance with them has the potential for abuse, addiction, and withdrawal (including alcohol, nicotine, and caffeine. The argument "I know people who smoke pot and are successful" is


ludicrous. There are plentiful professionals that recreationally use cocaine, pain meds, etc.

Psychoactive doesn't have to be a bad thing. Shrooms were used responsibly for thousands of years to expand human consciousness at a rapid rate. More recently LSD has shown tremendous results in helping with PTSD as well as depression and anxiety in terminal ill patients not to mention used responsibly it just makes you smarter happier healthier. What amazes me is that alcohol is ok when it has zero positive effects while everything else that isn't produced by big pharma is demonized and most people are okay with that.

 

[MyBloodRunnethOrange]

Wth?

 

[Coug]

no.....you should've kept your mouth shut.

fyp

You must be twelve.

No you should take your misdirected sentiment and direct it toward the moron that left the cupboard completely bare of O-linemen.

The point is you could have put any warm body on the roster who is relatively the same size/stature as Thomas and they WOULD have done a better job. Forget the classification of "O-linemen". How many players have you seen shifted from one position to another, or from D-line to O-line since Butch has been here? A lot!

There really are close to no withdrawals. Physical withdrawals are non-existent, and mental withdrawals are minor. Uniformed, I am not.

I've tried addictive substances and weed is definitely not one of those substances.

 

[ACvol3]

So skipping every page after the first page and last- CT is a meth head/pot fiend that stole an Xbox to get a fix?

 

[Coug]

So skipping every page after the first page and last- CT is a meth head/pot fiend that stole an Xbox to get a fix?

Somebody told him an XBox could block better than he could so he went and stole one.

 

[xTRAVASSx]

these kids and their xbox's... Everyone know playstation is the best console.

Pc > ps4 > xbone

pc master race

nerd!!!!!!

 

[BigOrangeVols]

Actually, peer-reviewed literature is not subject to financial bias, be it from pharmaceutical companies or the government. Any physician with experience in the area will be able to give testament to the validity. I've seen withdrawal, in a serious way, firsthand. I've seen people steal and injure people on account of MJ. I've seen psychosis that is explained best by chronic MJ use. You can't discount what I have witnessed firsthand.

It never ceases to amaze me how people defend pot. It has psychoactive properties, and any substance with them has the potential for abuse, addiction, and withdrawal (including alcohol, nicotine, and caffeine. The argument "I know people who smoke pot and are successful" is ludicrous. There are plentiful professionals that recreationally use cocaine, pain meds, etc.

Not sure how this subject got brought upon in this thread. But I do agree with you that some people are definitely addicted. I have also seen people first hand steal just to be able to buy a bag of weed. Also people that base their career in something that does not drug test. The same people also blow their paycheck in a matter of 1-2 days but manage to have a half ounce of weed to show for their work week. Also people that are straight up loopy that heavily smoke/formerly smoked. Cigarettes and alcohol are definitely worse, but that does not mean that marijuana is not abused by some people as more than a pain reliever or relaxation.

 

[VolsnRavens]

Not sure how this subject got brought upon in this thread. But I do agree with you that some people are definitely addicted. I have also seen people first hand steal just to be able to buy a bag of weed. Also people that base their career in something that does not drug test. The same people also blow their paycheck in a matter of 1-2 days but manage to have a half ounce of weed to show for their work week. Also people that are straight up loopy that heavily smoke/formerly smoked. Cigarettes and alcohol are definitely worse, but that does not mean that marijuana is not abused by some people as more than a pain reliever or relaxation.

And I have witnessed people who make six figures, people who are well to do who use MJ as a recreational drug. Hasn't affected their career or life one bit. It's just not true that all people who use it are addicts and have personal issues. That would be like saying everyone who drinks is an alcoholic. If I hung out at a cheap bar the clientele for the most part would be problem drinkers, If you go to a black tie party and people are drinkers, most of them do not have an issue but still enjoy drinking. It's the exact same thing for MJ users. It's about where you put yourself in life and handling your responsibilities, if you are living your life like that and can enjoy MJ, just like others enjoy a martini or bourbon, more power to you. Society has taught us MJ was bad. But it was made illegal for political reasons, not affect reasons. Oh, and remember prohibition?

 

[BigT_Chief]

I hope you folks will for give me for not reading thru 15 pages of posts, but what does pot have to do with Thomas, did he steal, or sell stolen merchandise to buy weed? I don't understand how the topic of weed came up.

 

[kiddiedoc]

There really are close to no withdrawals. Physical withdrawals are non-existent, and mental withdrawals are minor. Uniformed, I am not.

I have seen it firsthand with nausea/vomiting, anorexia, extreme agitation bordering psychosis, cravings, etc. It is also a well-accepted medical diagnosis.

Again, crazy how people like to be uninformed to defend the drug.

 

[OrangeHammer]

Hearing that we should know something by midweek here, and that apparently he was falsely accused and should be cleared. Not saying he won't be disciplined for being a knucklehead, but if a friend asked me to sell his xbox because he didn't have an ID I would do it so I'm not sure how much trouble helping a friend out should warrant.

Apparently he had no idea the merchandise was stolen, and this behavior is very uncharacteristic of him. He's not the type of kid who needs to steal for a few bucks or one to take advantage of someone like that. He is a good kid.

 

[VFL-82-JP]

Man, it's like two threads got mashed together, one about Coleman Thomas being charged with theft and another about drugs, mmkay. I came here this morning to see if there was anything new on the former, but found mostly the latter in the most recent 50 posts.

If there were ever a case for a spin-off thread, this is it. Sad to say, at this point I think Thomas' situation would have to be the spin-off.

Mods, help us out, please? Is there anything that can be done?