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#76
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lawgator1 said:
I'm sure that was intentional. Romney didn't want to highlight his LDS faith and so he avoided talking religion. He wanted to portray himself as the savior on the economy, but his rhetoric betrayed any notion that he'd be a populist, and reinforced the fact that he really was an elitist.
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I think 79s answer applies more.
 
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FLVOL_79 said:
Gay marriage and abortion shouldnt even be an issue. Republicans would come out ahead more often than not if those social issues were left where they belong, to the freewill of the people. Campaigning against those is like the modern puritan witch hunt. I think Cruz said he is against those things but leaves it up to the states to decide by voting. I can get behind that (no homo). Abortions..gay marriage, hell I don't even know anyone who has done either and I doubt most opponents of it probably haven't as well.

But ya know..if someone gets gay married or has an abortion..isn't that still part of gods plan?
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Whether they should or should not be an issue is irrelevant. They are issues; they are very polarizing. My personal feelings aside, I contend that if a person running for office finds an issue that drives the base to the voting booth AND polls as a net positive they should campaign on that particular issue whether we think the should or shouldn't.

It doesn't make any sense considering the millions campaigns spend on internal polling that a candidate would be mute on a winning issue or be vocal on a losing one. I don't have any insiders knowledge on internal polling but I cannot fathom someone making political waves with a toxic issue.
 
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Grand Vol said:
You know, Romney didn't focus on the spiritual or moral issues and decided to go after the economic side. As well as the foreign policy (which he has been vindicated over many things) that was slipping rapidly.

Didn't really work out for him.
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True. Romney didn't excite the base. The exit polling was very clear. Had he been able to attract the base who sat out he would have won.

W's 2nd running was only victorious by having the gay marriage referendum on many state ballots. Without that added motivation, his base would have sat out.
 
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lawgator1 said:
I'm sure that was intentional. Romney didn't want to highlight his LDS faith and so he avoided talking religion. He wanted to portray himself as the savior on the economy, but his rhetoric betrayed any notion that he'd be a populist, and reinforced the fact that he really was an elitist.
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I am not sure in which way you are using the word elitist. Republican voters typically are not swayed by how wealthy or privileged someone is. My guess it isn't a net positive or negative with the base.

Romney was elitist in two ways. He grew up in a political family and politicians that family produced were moderates. And, they were elected and governed in historically liberal - voting states.

Plus, as a personal observation, he was as stiff as Al Gore, and almost as boring.
 
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McDad said:
Whether they should or should not be an issue is irrelevant. They are issues; they are very polarizing. My personal feelings aside, I contend that if a person running for office finds an issue that drives the base to the voting booth AND polls as a net positive they should campaign on that particular issue whether we think the should or shouldn't.

It doesn't make any sense considering the millions campaigns spend on internal polling that a candidate would be mute on a winning issue or be vocal on a losing one. I don't have any insiders knowledge on internal polling but I cannot fathom someone making political waves with a toxic issue.
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I know they are issues, but they shouldn't be. I'm just a young whippersnapper at 35 but I literally could care less about gay marriage and abortions. They don't impact me. They only impact the people partaking in them.

Politicians are going to say whatever they can say to win. If the color blue came out as the official color of gay people I PROMISE politicians would be foaming at the mouth to denounce or embrace it just to appease their constituents.

People should worry more about themselves.
 
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FLVOL_79 said:
I know they are issues, but they shouldn't be. I'm just a young whippersnapper at 35 but I literally could care less about gay marriage and abortions. They don't impact me. They only impact the people partaking in them.

Politicians are going to say whatever they can say to win. If the color blue came out as the official color of gay people I PROMISE politicians would be foaming at the mouth to denounce or embrace it just to appease their constituents.

People should worry more about themselves.
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You are so correct with all of the points you have made. I would swing more to the right if the Republicans would stop coming off as elitist, and focus on the real problems that impact our country. They play the game too old school, and the give the Democrats easy ammo to fire at them. I hate both parties, but the GOP really needs to step off their high horse if they ever want to win anything again.
 
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Ttucke11 said:
You are so correct with all of the points you have made. I would swing more to the right if the Republicans would stop coming off as elitist, and focus on the real problems that impact our country. They play the game too old school, and the give the Democrats easy ammo to fire at them. I hate both parties, but the GOP really needs to step off their high horse if they ever want to win anything again.
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If more people were like me..minus the misogyny and mild(very mild) racism...things would be better.
 
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FLVOL_79 said:
I know they are issues, but they shouldn't be. I'm just a young whippersnapper at 35 but I literally could care less about gay marriage and abortions. They don't impact me. They only impact the people partaking in them.

Politicians are going to say whatever they can say to win. If the color blue came out as the official color of gay people I PROMISE politicians would be foaming at the mouth to denounce or embrace it just to appease their constituents.

People should worry more about themselves.
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I agree with you on many levels. I am not condoning or incriminating the politicians for the issues they campaign on. I'm simply pointing out that their internal polling probably indicates dropping the social issues results in a net loss to them on election day. That's all.
 
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It's the "Karl Rove During the Bush Years" philosophy to go to the right even in a general because the base better be fired up and this is who needs to show up.

It's the "Karl Rove After the Bush Years" philosophy to go to the center AFTER you've won the right or at least the nomination.

These two philosophies are what drives Republican campaigns. For the primaries, it's all about going as far to the right as possible to win the nomination. Some go VERY far which leads to saying things that are stupid and/or cost them in the general election. With the candidates running in the Republican primary this go around, they will go far right on any and every issue including social ones. Cruz announcing at Liberty means he is going for the social conservative Religious Right bloc. My assumption is that he feels he has a decent chunk of the Tea Party vote and wants to now chip away at the RR vote. This means he wants to jump out front of Huckabee and Santorum.
 
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Couldn't they fix some of that at the RNC by switching the primary calendar around? It always seems that they try to get one of the 3 tickets out of Iowa or New hampshire and then dive to the right immediately for SC.
 
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It's time to sit back & watch the LG show & all the MSNBC libtard crowd bashing to start. According to Foxnews.com: Texas GOP Senator Ted Cruz announces his 2016 White House run through Twitter. Cruz becomes the first major candidate to enter next year's presidential race confirming his intentions w/a late night Twitter message. He's calling on a "new generation of courageous conservatives to help make America great again".
 
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FLVOL_79 said:
I know they are issues, but they shouldn't be. I'm just a young whippersnapper at 35 but I literally could care less about gay marriage and abortions. They don't impact me. They only impact the people partaking in them.

Politicians are going to say whatever they can say to win. If the color blue came out as the official color of gay people I PROMISE politicians would be foaming at the mouth to denounce or embrace it just to appease their constituents.

People should worry more about themselves.
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Good post.
 
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W.TN.Orange Blood said:
It's time to sit back & watch the LG show & all the MSNBC libtard crowd bashing to start. According to Foxnews.com: Texas GOP Senator Ted Cruz announces his 2016 White House run through Twitter. Cruz becomes the first major candidate to enter next year's presidential race confirming his intentions w/a late night Twitter message. He's calling on a "new generation of courageous conservatives to help make America great again".
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Yeah well, wait til Hillary uses her email to announce she running.
 
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W.TN.Orange Blood said:
It's time to sit back & watch the LG show & all the MSNBC libtard crowd bashing to start. According to Foxnews.com: Texas GOP Senator Ted Cruz announces his 2016 White House run through Twitter. Cruz becomes the first major candidate to enter next year's presidential race confirming his intentions w/a late night Twitter message. He's calling on a "new generation of courageous conservatives to help make America great again".
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I was thinking the same thing. Do you really believe that Cruz has a legit shot at getting the nomination? I mean, no one is going to out "right" him - but do you really believe that's what most republican's want?

If he did somehow get the nomination, do you believe he'd get the rest of America to buy in? How? Most people are moderates (irrespective of how the politically identify) and it may be tough to stomach a guy who is as far right as he is. Pivoting to the middle would appear disingenuous, no?
 
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Septic said:
I was thinking the same thing. Do you really believe that Cruz has a legit shot at getting the nomination? I mean, no one is going to out "right" him - but do you really believe that's what most republican's want?

If he did somehow get the nomination, do you believe he'd get the rest of America to buy in? How? Most people are moderates (irrespective of how the politically identify) and it may be tough to stomach a guy who is as far right as he is. Pivoting to the middle would appear disingenuous, no?
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It'll be fun to watch & see what happens in the coming months.
 
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FLVOL_79 said:
I know they are issues, but they shouldn't be. I'm just a young whippersnapper at 35 but I literally could care less about gay marriage and abortions. They don't impact me. They only impact the people partaking in them.

Politicians are going to say whatever they can say to win. If the color blue came out as the official color of gay people I PROMISE politicians would be foaming at the mouth to denounce or embrace it just to appease their constituents.

People should worry more about themselves.
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You've made some excellent posts in this thread. I appreciate and agree with much of your perspective.
 
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I really do think he's a dangerous person. His narcissism is quite a bit higher than your normal politician, even one running for POTUS. The grandiosity, seeing himself as destiny. He's scary.
 
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lawgator1 said:
I really do think he's a dangerous person. His narcissism is quite a bit higher than your normal politician, even one running for POTUS. The grandiosity, seeing himself as destiny. He's scary.
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Not to worry nimrod. He won't get to be the Head Cheese.
 
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A career lawyer/bureaucrat/government payroll guy announces from a very socially conservative Christian university he is running for President. He looks like a Baptist preacher up there on stage. They'll pass the offering plate around for campaign contributions.
 
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CSpindizzy said:
A career lawyer/bureaucrat/government payroll guy announces from a very socially conservative Christian university he is running for President. He looks like a Baptist preacher up there on stage. They'll pass the offering plate around for campaign contributions.
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That's his America. I'll give him credit for being honest about what he believe in.
 
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Septic said:
I was thinking the same thing. Do you really believe that Cruz has a legit shot at getting the nomination? I mean, no one is going to out "right" him - but do you really believe that's what most republican's want?

If he did somehow get the nomination, do you believe he'd get the rest of America to buy in? How? Most people are moderates (irrespective of how the politically identify) and it may be tough to stomach a guy who is as far right as he is. Pivoting to the middle would appear disingenuous, no?
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The name Cruz sounds Hispanic, maybe he will get some support through the Hispanic community, who knows. He may ruffle some feathers along the way but I don't think he will get the nomination.
 
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