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hog88 said:
Rammed him is the only thing of concern. what he said shouldn't matter.

Telling a school you have a gun shouldn't be a crime.
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What he says can show if his action was intentional or not....

U r out of ur mind if u think telling a school u have a gun shouldn't be against the law......it is no different than a bomb threat and causes the school to go into lockdown mode.
 
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volbeast33 said:
What he says can show if his action was intentional or not....

U r out of ur mind if u think telling a school u have a gun shouldn't be against the law......it is no different than a bomb threat and causes the school to go into lockdown mode.
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I tell you what, I'll drive over to the school tonight and tell it I have a gun. I don't know how well brick and mortar can hear but we'll find out.
 
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jp1 said:
Wisconsin man killed by officer was not armed, police say - CNN.com

For those familiar with the case....who's at fault here?
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While the info is limited..... We have reports of screaming at and jumping into traffic..... Erratic behavior..... Striking another person..... Choking another..... An officer hearing a commotion inside..... Who enters and is apparently struck in the head by the individual...., then officer caps him. Based on the limited info I'd say the officer was justified in entering the home ...... After that ...... Who knows
 
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Carl Pickens said:
While the info is limited..... We have reports of screaming at and jumping into traffic..... Erratic behavior..... Striking another person..... Choking another..... An officer hearing a commotion inside..... Who enters and is apparently struck in the head by the individual...., then officer caps him. Based on the limited info I'd say the officer was justified in entering the home ...... After that ...... Who knows
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Does his past history of armed robbery play into this at all, or the fact that his family says he was such a gentle person override that little misstep?
 
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jp1 said:
Wisconsin man killed by officer was not armed, police say - CNN.com

For those familiar with the case....who's at fault here?
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I'm not at all familiar with this case so I'm not sure if I'm qualified to comment but…

Based solely off what I can gather in that article, it appears as though the officer was justified. I would say that the main failure of law-enforcement in this instance was sending the officer into that situation by himself. Madison isn't exactly a small town. I'm guessing they have a decent sized police department. Maybe somebody could've stopped trying to catch speeders for a minute and went and assisted in the situation.

Maybe two or three officers are able to control the situation and nobody gets shot. Oh well...
 
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Cdywolfe said:
I'm not at all familiar with this case so I'm not sure if I'm qualified to comment but…

Based solely off what I can gather in that article, it appears as though the officer was justified. I would say that the main failure of law-enforcement in this instance was sending the officer into that situation by himself. Madison isn't exactly a small town. I'm guessing they have a decent sized police department. Maybe somebody could've stopped trying to catch speeders for a minute and went and assisted in the situation.

Maybe two or three officers are able to control the situation and nobody gets shot. Oh well...
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Agree with this, although its easy for us to Monday morning quaterback. I feel like the media has trumped this case up to be the next Ferguson.
 
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jp1 said:
Agree with this. I feel like the media has trumped this case up to be the next Ferguson.
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He, quite possibly, entered the home prematurely because he believed the commotion inside was someone being injured.
 
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He was a good boy, never violent.

And when he was violent, that doesn't count because he was about to turn his life around.

Go to college.

Be an astronaut. Or cure cancer.
 
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Wisconsin passed a law last year that will ensure this gets reviewed by an independent body, so we'll probably learn more details about this one then other recent cases. The biggest issue people seem to be having with this case is the back up arrived 30 seconds after the shooting. The question is whether he could have waited and then after others arrive, they might have had other options. We'll see.
 
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YorkVol said:
Wisconsin passed a law last year that will ensure this gets reviewed by an independent body, so we'll probably learn more details about this one then other recent cases. The biggest issue people seem to be having with this case is the back up arrived 30 seconds after the shooting. The question is whether he could have waited and then after others arrive, they might have had other options. We'll see.
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No, absolutely dead wrong.

You can always, after the fact, come up with alternative approaches, what ifs, etc., and that is not fair to the officer. The only question is whether the officer was lawfully doing his job at the moment, and if in that moment he reasonably thought deadly force was needed.

After the fact you can always hyopthesize ways around the way things actually developed, but the officer doesn't have that luxury.
 
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lawgator1 said:
No, absolutely dead wrong.

You can always, after the fact, come up with alternative approaches, what ifs, etc., and that is not fair to the officer. The only question is whether the officer was lawfully doing his job at the moment, and if in that moment he reasonably thought deadly force was needed.

After the fact you can always hyopthesize ways around the way things actually developed, but the officer doesn't have that luxury.
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What was wrong? I just reported the questions people in Madison were talking about this morning. And these weren't the people protesting, this was an interview with some level headed leaders who generally support the police.
 
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lawgator1 said:
No, absolutely dead wrong.

You can always, after the fact, come up with alternative approaches, what ifs, etc., and that is not fair to the officer. The only question is whether the officer was lawfully doing his job at the moment, and if in that moment he reasonably thought deadly force was needed.

After the fact you can always hyopthesize ways around the way things actually developed, but the officer doesn't have that luxury.
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The officer may very well been in the right legally but there might have been better alternatives. God forbid this incident is reviewed and better techniques or policies come out of it, right?
 
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hog88 said:
The officer may very well been in the right legally but there might have been better alternatives. God forbid this incident is reviewed and better techniques or policies come out of it, right?
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Not fond of agreeing with LG, ever. But, you both make good points. Yes LE can improve and no, you cannot really judge an incident after the fact properly.
 
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tim said:
Not fond of agreeing with LG, ever. But, you both make good points. Yes LE can improve and no, you cannot really judge an incident after the fact properly.
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I can't help but think a lot of people charged with various offenses and taken to court would agree.
 
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hndog609 said:
I can't help but think a lot of people charged with various offenses and taken to court would agree.
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I don't think so. Basically, if you want to try to determine if someone did things tactically correct or someone broke the law you're trying to compare apples to oranges.

Now if you think this officer did something criminal, by all means apply the standard.
 
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