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lawgator1 said:
Why would it ruin my day?

Here's a suggestion. Don't fight with cops. Don't grab for their guns.
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It wouldn't, if you're cold blooded.

I don't understand the thought process: "person X did a dumb thing so I don't feel bad that they suffered tremendous and irreversible consequences."

You don't even know that he went after the gun for sure. We have very limited information at this point.
 
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Regardless of how this thing turns out, if a handful of officers can't keep a little homeless man who is getting tazed from taking one of their guns without them shooting the f*** out of him, they probably need to find a new line of work. I don't feel safe with that kind of ineptitude.
 
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n_huffhines said:
It wouldn't, if you're cold blooded.

I don't understand the thought process: "person X did a dumb thing so I don't feel bad that they suffered tremendous and irreversible consequences."

You don't even know that he went after the gun for sure. We have very limited information at this point.
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First, you are using a straw man tactic. I didn't say the reason it was okay to shoot him was that he had done something wrong. Don't play that weak game.

The officers perceived him to be a deadly threat. Based on this video, I am finding it very difficult to second guess that perception.

You want to slow the video down? Ask questions in hindsight? Spend time in front of your computer from the comfort of your chair poking holes at their perception or reaction? Fine.

They did not have that luxury.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Why would it ruin my day?

Here's a suggestion. Don't fight with cops. Don't grab for their guns.
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I'm saddened by the fact that the police no longer have the ability to beat the crap out of someone, but have to use their guns to end the fight early. They used to be in shape and well trained fighters who could drag out a beating for hours, thus ensuring we all got our entertainment value. Shooting someone this early in the fight is a rip off imo.
 
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I was at a football party one night and this guy there was hammered. He was getting ready to leave (drive home) and everyone said he shouldn't drive. His response was classic .."It's ok, I'm a cop. I have 2 patrol cars going to follow me home so I don't get a DUI." So basically the cop(s) were more concerned at protecting their own from getting a DUI than making sure he didn't kill someone.
 
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Sin City Vol said:
I was at a football party one night and this guy there was hammered. He was getting ready to leave (drive home) and everyone said he shouldn't drive. His response was classic .."It's ok, I'm a cop. I have 2 patrol cars going to follow me home so I don't get a DUI." So basically the cop(s) were more concerned at protecting their own from getting a DUI than making sure he didn't kill someone.
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I know that I also believe everything some drunk guy says to me when he brags. Yup.
 
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n_huffhines said:
Regardless of how this thing turns out, if a handful of officers can't keep a little homeless man who is getting tazed from taking one of their guns without them shooting the f*** out of him, they probably need to find a new line of work. I don't feel safe with that kind of ineptitude.
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I'd really like to know what events lead up to the video starting and have a way better view of the shooting.

With that said you bring up a couple of really valid points. The fact that four officers aren't able to subdue someone without killing them is... Alarming to say the least.

It also sounds a hell of a lot like he's getting tazed when he "reaches for the gun". So maybe he did reach for the gun... I don't know. That'd have been quite the feat though.... Quite the feat.
 
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lawgator1 said:
First, you are using a straw man tactic. I didn't say the reason it was okay to shoot him was that he had done something wrong. Don't play that weak game.

The officers perceived him to be a deadly threat. Based on this video, I am finding it very difficult to second guess that perception.

You want to slow the video down? Ask questions in hindsight? Spend time in front of your computer from the comfort of your chair poking holes at their perception or reaction? Fine.

They did not have that luxury.
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Yeah, I know that those guys living in a tent on skid row are usually super roided up beef cakes that are capable of taking out multiple police officers instantaneously.
 
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SamRebel35 said:
Yeah, I know that those guys living in a tent on skid row are usually super roided up beef cakes that are capable of taking out multiple police officers instantaneously.
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I'm assuming that if he got their gun then he could definitely kill at least one cop......the guy was an idiot and deserved to be shot.
 
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Carl Pickens said:
Funny how it's always the same bleeding hearts that think all cops are evil and ignorant regardless of the situation
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It isn't about a bleeding heart. I happen to believe that reaching for a cop's gun is stupid, and if that's what the guy did, he shouldn't expect to be able to walk away from the situation. I also happen to believe these cops were in no danger of being injured by this guy. The guy that had 3 cops kicking the shat out of him while being tased was somehow going to overpower one of the cops and squeeze a shot off? I think these guys saw what looked like a man reaching for a gun and decided it would be a good opportunity for them to get some target practice on some rather low hanging fruit.
 
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SamRebel35 said:
It isn't about a bleeding heart. I happen to believe that reaching for a cop's gun is stupid, and if that's what the guy did, he shouldn't expect to be able to walk away from the situation. I also happen to believe these cops were in no danger of being injured by this guy. The guy that had 3 cops kicking the shat out of him while being tased was somehow going to overpower one of the cops and squeeze a shot off? I think these guys saw what looked like a man reaching for a gun and decided it would be a good opportunity for them to get some target practice on some rather low hanging fruit.
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I'm sure they wanted to kill a homeless man for target practice. They probably had a bet going on who could kill one first.
 
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lawgator1 said:
First, you are using a straw man tactic. I didn't say the reason it was okay to shoot him was that he had done something wrong. Don't play that weak game..
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Straw man? I didn't even say you said "it was OK to shoot him" (talk about straw man). All I implied is that you don't care, and I did so because you said this:

lawgator1 said:
Why would it ruin my day?
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SamRebel35 said:
It isn't about a bleeding heart. I happen to believe that reaching for a cop's gun is stupid, and if that's what the guy did, he shouldn't expect to be able to walk away from the situation. I also happen to believe these cops were in no danger of being injured by this guy. The guy that had 3 cops kicking the shat out of him while being tased was somehow going to overpower one of the cops and squeeze a shot off? I think these guys saw what looked like a man reaching for a gun and decided it would be a good opportunity for them to get some target practice on some rather low hanging fruit.
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That's the problem, u r making the call to use deadly force from the comforts of your couch. They are making the decision with a perp fighting against them in a potentially deadly situation. I was at Wal Mart one time and this woman was shop lifting and the cops tried to detain her and she beat the hell out of some cops.....most hilarious thing I ever saw but the point is that its not that easy to detain someone who is fighting back and flailing around.
 
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volbeast33 said:
That's the problem, u r making the call to use deadly force from the comforts of your couch. They are making the decision with a perp fighting against them in a potentially deadly situation. I was at Wal Mart one time and this woman was shop lifting and the cops tried to detain her and she beat the hell out of some cops.....most hilarious thing I ever saw but the point is that its not that easy to detain someone who is fighting back and flailing around.
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The problem is that 4 grownass men couldn't subdue a little heroin addict without killing him.

I worked a job where I had to subdue crazy adult clients, one on one. I was a 165 lb 22 YO. It's OK to hold police officers to a higher standard than somebody working a side job in college, IMO.
 
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volbeast33 said:
That's the problem, u r making the call to use deadly force from the comforts of your couch. They are making the decision with a perp fighting against them in a potentially deadly situation. I was at Wal Mart one time and this woman was shop lifting and the cops tried to detain her and she beat the hell out of some cops.....most hilarious thing I ever saw but the point is that its not that easy to detain someone who is fighting back and flailing around.
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Right, Wal-Mart experience way more valuable than couch-sitting experience.

Believe me, well-trained forces can act in ways that de-escalate the situation and limit the potential of being placed in a situation in which they might find themselves just a tad bit threatened. Further, they can be trained to assess the threat-level prior to making the decision to engage with lethal force.

In point of fact, we expect and train our soldiers to adhere to higher standards and more limited resort to lethal force in combat in enemy territory than is on display by these cops who are working in the United States and who do not reasonably expect that while focusing on this man, they will be targeted by either sniper or RPG fire.

These cops have the luxury of time on their side. These cops have the luxury of being able to sit out in the open. These cops have the luxury of being able to communicate in the same language with both the perp and any bystanders. There is no reason in the world in this situation for the cops to escalate the situation.

Yet, they shot this man five times.
 
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n_huffhines said:
The problem is that 4 grownass men couldn't subdue a little heroin addict without killing him.

I worked a job where I had to subdue crazy adult clients, one on one. I was a 165 lb 22 YO. It's OK to hold police officers to a higher standard than somebody working a side job in college, IMO.
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But you're a badass.....not all cops, are so cut them some slack.
 
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jp1 said:
But you're a badass.....not all cops, are so cut them some slack.
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Why should they be cut slack? They aren't filing papers. They're not taking movie tickets. Their job description forbids any slack-cutting, especially to killers.
 
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