Official Global Warming thread (merged)

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I'm not about to get involved in this useless thread. My only point was that, just because there's snow in Boston, it doesn't mean there is no such thing as global warming.

Anyhow, good day to you all. May you enjoy an inordinately hot summer.
 
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volprof said:
I'm not about to get involved in this useless thread. My only point was that, just because there's snow in Boston, it doesn't mean there is no such thing as global warming.

Anyhow, good day to you all. May you enjoy an inordinately hot summer.
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So what about those ice caps y'all kept telling us about. Is that not the same?
 
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volprof said:
The pseudo-scientists are running amok.

While the East is experiencing a cold winter (at the moment; Knoxville has only been moderate until now), the West is experiencing record highs. Salt Lake City has been 16 degrees above normal this year.

Here's something that will help you understand global warming a bit better:

Just because it may be cold one place does not mean it's cold everywhere. Avg. temps worldwide have been increasing, generally speaking.

But, yes, Boston has gotten a lot of snow this year.
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Saw a climatologist discussing this today on tv. He blamed it on the polar vortex and the jet stream over lapping..... Cold air pushed east with warm air to the west
 
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Grand Vol said:
Have you priced one of the new efficient models yet?
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Have you? According to this manufacturer, the 2015 regulations will have little effect and the anticipated 2020 regulations will increase the price of their most popular model by 15%, or $375.
Grand Vol said:
And how about making it illegal to sell an old one?
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You can still buy or sell the old ones until the end of 2015. If you’re smart you will (or already did) take advantage of one of the many wood stove trade-in programs.
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Seems as if you think anything that preserves your precious environment falls into the "good" category to me.
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What, you think the EPA is intentionally trying to freeze people to death?
 
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Sandvol said:
And Tyndall concluded the principle green house gas in the atmosphere controlling temperature is water vapor and that the other gases are fairly insignificant.
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Yeah you’re talking out of your ass again. From earlier,
The greenhouse effect or radiative flux for water is around 75 W/m2 while carbon dioxide contributes 32 W/m2
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Your posts are going downhill again. In the spirit of TRUT’s conspiracy thread let’s revisit your last interesting post. You wouldn’t give clear answers before so I want to know, what do you think of:

Acid Rain
DDT
GMOs
Lead Poisoning
Moon Landing
Ozone Depletion
Tobacco Carcinogenicity and Secondhand Smoke
Vaccines
Water Fluoridation

We already know your thoughts on evolution and global warming. How do you feel about the science surrounding these alleged conspiracies? What’s your opinion of the government’s role or response?

Other contrarians, feel free to chime in
 
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BartW said:
Yeah you’re talking out of your ass again. From earlier,

Your posts are going downhill again. In the spirit of TRUT’s conspiracy thread let’s revisit your last interesting post. You wouldn’t give clear answers before so I want to know, what do you think of:

Acid Rain
DDT
GMOs
Lead Poisoning
Moon Landing
Ozone Depletion
Tobacco Carcinogenicity and Secondhand Smoke
Vaccines
Water Fluoridation

We already know your thoughts on evolution and global warming. How do you feel about the science surrounding these alleged conspiracies? What’s your opinion of the government’s role or response?

Other contrarians, feel free to chime in
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Bart,
You need to get laid.

Later
 
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Global Ocean Acidity Revealed in New Maps

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volprof said:
I'm not about to get involved in this useless thread. My only point was that, just because there's snow in Boston, it doesn't mean there is no such thing as global warming.

Anyhow, good day to you all. May you enjoy an inordinately hot summer.
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Yea but 10 years ago, you guys said snow would be rare. That is not the case. So why am I supposed to believe you now when you told me the Arctic would be ice free and snow would be rare
 
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Yep, so if there are no extreme weather events that does not disprove climate change. However, if there are extreme weather events that proves climate change is real. Is anyone confused yet?
 
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BartW said:
Global Ocean Acidity Revealed in New Maps

global-ocean-acidity.jpg
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Isn't this statement a hypothesis rather than a proven fact? I thought there were many different hypotheses about the "pause".

This process has slowed the warming of the globe, as all of that carbon is locked up in the ocean's "carbon sink" rather than floating freely in the atmosphere
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Also from this statement it appears we have a new way to measure this. My question is where is this current level map compared to maps over the pause to demonstrate the above stated fact?

"We are pioneering these techniques so that we can monitor large areas of the Earth's oceans, allowing us to quickly and easily identify those areas most at risk from the increasing acidification," study leader Jamie Shutler, a senior lecturer in ocean science at the University of Exeter, said in a statement.
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volinbham said:
Isn't this statement a hypothesis rather than a proven fact? I thought there were many different hypotheses about the "pause".



Also from this statement it appears we have a new way to measure this. My question is where is this current level map compared to maps over the pause to demonstrate the above stated fact?
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It is not a hypothesis. You may be confusing the ocean acting as a carbon sink (established science for decades) with the ocean acting as a heat sink (this is the "pause" in warming for much of the oughts, though we were still warming just not at the same rate as the 90's). The ocean is a huge part of the carbon cycle, and measurably absorbs CO2. You are conflating two separate things.

Ocean acidification is actually a separate environmental issue from global climate change due to global warming, but they are both caused by an increase in CO2 in the atmosphere by the burning of fossil fuels.
 
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BartW said:
Yeah you’re talking out of your ass again. From earlier,

Your posts are going downhill again. In the spirit of TRUT’s conspiracy thread let’s revisit your last interesting post. You wouldn’t give clear answers before so I want to know, what do you think of:

Acid Rain
DDT
GMOs
Lead Poisoning
Moon Landing
Ozone Depletion
Tobacco Carcinogenicity and Secondhand Smoke
Vaccines
Water Fluoridation

We already know your thoughts on evolution and global warming. How do you feel about the science surrounding these alleged conspiracies? What’s your opinion of the government’s role or response?

Other contrarians, feel free to chime in
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Here is the text from your beloved Wiki:

Tyndall explained the heat in the Earth's atmosphere in terms of the capacities of the various gases in the air to absorb radiant heat, also known as infrared radiation. His measuring device, which used thermopile technology, is an early landmark in the history of absorption spectroscopy of gases.[7] He was the first to correctly measure the relative infrared absorptive powers of the gases nitrogen, oxygen, water vapour, carbon dioxide, ozone, methane, etc. (year 1859). He concluded that water vapour is the strongest absorber of radiant heat in the atmosphere and is the principal gas controlling air temperature. Absorption by the other gases is not negligible but relatively small. Prior to Tyndall it was widely surmised that the Earth's atmosphere has a Greenhouse Effect, but he was the first to prove it. The proof was that water vapour strongly absorbed infrared radiation.[8] Relatedly, Tyndall in 1860 was first to demonstrate and quantify that visually transparent gases are infrared emitters.[9]
 
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