Official Global Warming thread (merged)

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BartW said:
They do.
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No, they don't.

Yes, the scientific community is well aware. You were the only one out of the loop. If the IPCC’s forcing bar chart displeases you, just use this:

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That one is actually infinitely more believable.

You asked :hi:

I'm surprised it's taken you this long to ask. No, there are certainly examples of real conspiracies. A good critical thinker can distinguish between the ridiculous and the plausible. Consider, for example,

1. How large is the supposed conspiracy?
2. How many people are part of this conspiracy?
3. Are there enough of them to carry out the plan?
4. What infrastructure and resources does it need?
5. How much time and money did it take and where did this money come from?
6. If there are many thousands of conspirators, how are they organized?
7. Where are the secret conferences held?
8. How do they keep track of membership?
9. If they are organised through known channels or entities, how do they keep non-members who work there from uncovering the conspiracy?
10. Who gains what from the conspiracy and for what price?
11. Is this the easiest way of gaining it? If not, why was it chosen over the easiest way?
12. If it is an old conspiracy — who gains what from maintaining it?
13. How likely is it to remain covered up if it has gone on for a long time?
14. If there are thousands of conspirators, and the conspiracy has gone on for decades, why have none of them defected?
15. Why have none of them leaked the story?
16. If many conspirators are dead, why have none of them told the truth on their deathbeds, or in their wills?
17. There are many intelligence agencies associated with rival nations, with the ability to expose secrets. If, say, the United States government is running a global conspiracy, why have the French, Russian, or Chinese intelligence agencies never revealed it, to cause a major scandal in the United States (if all intelligence agencies are involved, see #2)? If they have, when and where did they do so?

So, do you still think the temperature adjustment conspiracy theory holds up?

Fox News host: Climate scientists 'fabricated' temperature data
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It is either (1) a conspiracy or (2) a bunch of stupid scientists. Yeah, you're right, I go for number 2.
 
#4,381
#4,381
"Yes, CO2 causes global warming because the empirical evidence says so. Psssst, don't pay any attention to that CO2 temperature divergence the last 17 years. We'll say it's due to ocean heat sinks. That's it. That's the ticket."
 
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#4,382
So it's indeed co2 that's the problem, why do they keep labeling it as carbon? Cause it sounds dirtier? Co2 is a by product of good burning engine. I was taught particulate matter and noX were the bad guys. What is harmful about co2? Doesn't only account for something in the neighborhood of .003 percent of the atmosphere. And my question that will really ruffle some feathers, how much money has al gore made off this campaign? He's "3000" world class scientist that checks to be something closer to 200, and how many on that board actually agreed man made climate change is a real thing?
 
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OrangeWayOfLife said:
What exactly do you feel proved here.
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It's time to move past the fake debate over whether climate change is real and have the serious discussion about how to proceed.

Also, "If it ain't Dutch, it ain't much"...
Sandvol said:
It is either (1) a conspiracy or (2) a bunch of stupid scientists. Yeah, you're right, I go for number 2.
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That’s your new angle? The entire scientific community is incompetent?
Grand Vol said:
I didn't realize leprechauns had anything to do with global warming.

When did they discover this?
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How Do Leprechauns Influence Climate?
As far as modern science can ascertain, Leprechauns influence climate by modulating the effects of Galactic Cosmic Rays (GCRs). It seems that an increase in GCRs prompts an increase in clouds. In turn this leads to more rainbows, each of which according to legend prompts a Leprechaun to place an extra pot of gold at it's end. The albedo increase due to all these new shiny pots of gold being left around induces a small cooling effect on the planet.
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Yale anti-fossil fuel campaigners have indefinitely postponed a protest that was set for this weekend due to “unfavorable weather conditions and other logistical issues.”

Fossil Free Yale, a group pushing the university to divest itself from fossil fuels, told the Yale Daily News that frigid, snowy weather set for this weekend will mean their global warming protest will have to be postponed.

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Well that sux! :)
 
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myrobbins7 said:
Yale anti-fossil fuel campaigners have indefinitely postponed a protest that was set for this weekend due to “unfavorable weather conditions and other logistical issues.”

Fossil Free Yale, a group pushing the university to divest itself from fossil fuels, told the Yale Daily News that frigid, snowy weather set for this weekend will mean their global warming protest will have to be postponed.

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Well that sux! :)
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see post 4370 :)
 
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BartW said:
It's time to move past the fake debate over whether climate change is real and have the serious discussion about how to proceed.

Also, "If it ain't Dutch, it ain't much"...

That’s your new angle? The entire scientific community is incompetent?


How Do Leprechauns Influence Climate?
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Of course climate change is real, it's been changing since the beginning of time. Nobody is arguing that fact. Man made global warming on the other hand has not been proven.
 
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BartW said:
It's time to move past the fake debate over whether climate change is real and have the serious discussion about how to proceed.
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Whether climate change is real? You're truly loony.

Also, "If it ain't Dutch, it ain't much"...

That’s your new angle? The entire scientific community is incompetent?
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No, just government lap licking climate scientists are incompetent. And, you can throw a few evolutionists in there too.
 
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BartW said:
Fossil fuel lobby goes on the attack against divestment movement

Happy global divestment day! The video is hilarious
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It's okay, your glorious EPA is going straight full retard on people that try to heat their homes:

EPA

The Environmental Protection Agency is set to finalize a set of regulations in February that critics say will effectively ban production of 80 percent of the wood- and pellet-burning stoves in America.
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And here:

EPA's Wood-Burning Stove Ban Has Chilling Consequences For Many Rural People - Forbes

While EPA’s most recent regulations aren’t altogether new, their impacts will nonetheless be severe. Whereas restrictions had previously banned wood-burning stoves that didn’t limit fine airborne particulate emissions to 15 micrograms per cubic meter of air, the change will impose a maximum 12 microgram limit. To put this amount in context, EPA estimates that secondhand tobacco smoke in a closed car can expose a person to 3,000-4,000 micrograms of particulates per cubic meter.

Most wood stoves that warm cabin and home residents from coast-to-coast can’t meet that standard. Older stoves that don’t cannot be traded in for updated types, but instead must be rendered inoperable, destroyed, or recycled as scrap metal.
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So not only are these ****wads not allowing production of older stoves that are pretty efficient, they mandate production of the unicorn style wood stoves. And furthermore, they mandate you cannot trade in or resell your old model. And not to be confused with your other ****wad environmentalists that want to ban wood burning all together:

Local governments in some states have gone even further than EPA, not only banning the sale of noncompliant stoves, but even their use as fireplaces. As a result, owners face fines for infractions. Puget Sound, Washington is one such location. Montréal, Canada proposes to eliminate all fireplaces within its city limits.
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And not to be outdone, the State level ****wad EPA groups decided the Federal EPA is too soft.

Only weeks after EPA enacted its new stove rules, attorneys general of seven states sued the agency to crack down on wood-burning water heaters as well. The lawsuit was filed by Connecticut, Maryland, Massachusetts, New York, Oregon, Rhode Island and Vermont, all predominately Democrat states. Claiming that EPA’s new regulations didn’t go far enough to decrease particle pollution levels, the plaintiffs cited agency estimates that outdoor wood boilers will produce more than 20 percent of wood-burning emissions by 2017. A related suit was filed by the environmental group Earth Justice.
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When will you and the rest of the environmentalist crowd be happy? When humans are extinct and we can't pollute the planet any longer? When a family freezes to death because their old wood stove goes out and they can't afford a new one?

You champion any idea that comes out of that idiot agency, how will you defend this?
 
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Danl said:
Exactly. It is absolutely mind-numbingly stupid to post "it's cold in Boston in February!" in a discussion about climate. But some simps will never realize the distinction, so carry on.
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It'll be single digits in the south this week. How do we stop this?
 
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