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The US is finally getting what it wants. More US tax dollars to support a bungled attempt at pulling yet another country into it's sphere of influence.

The US is losing it's propaganda info war. They've lost their monopoly on world media. There are alternative outlets now and the truth can't be hidden anymore.

Warmongers gonna warmonger..
 
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LouderVol said:
has ukraine even engaged their regulars? i know they have a limited number but all i remember reading about are the militia conscripts. seems like they would have their best engaged if they were really worried about losing the east.
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I'm fairly positive the Ukraine is a conscripted force as it is. So could be a confusion of terminology.
 
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Pacer92 said:
The US is finally getting what it wants. More US tax dollars to support a bungled attempt at pulling yet another country into it's sphere of influence.

The US is losing it's propaganda info war. They've lost their monopoly on world media. There are alternative outlets now and the truth can't be hidden anymore.

Warmongers gonna warmonger..
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Pretty sure Congress has already approved more money, which i have never been in favor of, and i believe most here were never in favor of.

despite the fact that there are fewer and fewer sources? while i agree that America has lost a monopoly that happened a while ago, and hasn't seemed to change anything. (by a while I mean in my life time as i can only speak from experience)

yes.
 
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volprof said:
Good advice, young Louder.

I just get carried away. It's difficult for me to deal with another poster who thinks Putin the second coming of Thomas Jefferson, the Charlie Hebdo and Sept. 11 terrorist attacks the work of the CIA, and this current crisis the result of a cookie exchange.

But I'm trying.
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i am just trying to keep you out of a 'vacation'
 
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volprof said:
Good advice, young Louder.

I just get carried away. It's difficult for me to deal with another poster who thinks Putin the second coming of Thomas Jefferson, the Charlie Hebdo and Sept. 11 terrorist attacks the work of the CIA, and this current crisis the result of a cookie exchange.

But I'm trying.
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You obviously have done little research regarding 9/11.
 
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Grand Vol said:
I'm fairly positive the Ukraine is a conscripted force as it is. So could be a confusion of terminology.
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i thought it was a similar breakdown as Russia, with a 'professional' core and filled out with big numbers of conscripts. but yeah i could be getting the terms wrong.
 
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LouderVol said:
i thought it was a similar breakdown as Russia, with a 'professional' core and filled out with big numbers of conscripts. but yeah i could be getting the terms wrong.
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Actually, I was thinking the media got the terms wrong about militia vs not militia.

But you and I both know they never get anything wrong.
 
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Grand Vol said:
Actually, I was thinking the media got the terms wrong about militia vs not militia.

But you and I both know they never get anything wrong.
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wouldn't matter if they did get something wrong since we never question them and eat it all up.
 
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Burhead said:
Sounds like the White House will give the Russians one last chance to agree to peace and when they don't we'll start arming Ukraine.
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A reporter asked about a good cop/bad cop routine.

Perhaps there's some of that going on.
 
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Look for the Russians to take Debaltseve in the next few days. It is shaping up to be a complete disaster for the Ukrainian Army, thousands are apparently trapped now. The Ukrainians can't afford another drastic defeat like this.
 
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@UkraineInEurope 1m1 minute ago

If 8,000 Ukrainian forces decimated/surrenders in Debaltseve that is end of independent Ukraine.US needs to act tough now (no one else will)
 
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Burhead said:
Russia supports terrorists: Russia committed air strike over Ukrainian troops' positions - air force, army, Russian Army, Horlivka, Russia, Yurii Butusov, Debaltseve, Debaltseve salient, Russia supports terrorists, Russian incursion (09.02.15 19:02)

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Ukrainian forces sustain serious losses says DPR, while Kyiv denies that Ukrainian forces trapped in Debaltseve per Interfax.
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Yet another Facebook claim? In today's media world where US satellites can photo the color of flowers around your mailbox, why do keep getting reports of a Russian invasion with only pics of a patch on someone's shoulder or a Facebook declaration?

I'm ready to SEE these columns of tanks, men and planes in Russian uniform..
 
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Pacer92 said:
Yet another Facebook claim? In today's media world where US satellites can photo the color of flowers around your mailbox, why do keep getting reports of a Russian invasion with only pics of a patch on someone's shoulder or a Facebook declaration?

I'm ready to SEE these columns of tanks, men and planes in Russian uniform..
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Would it make any difference to you, Pacer? If you had those photos you ask for, you'd just go on to talk about how we can't be certain about where exactly they are or even if they're Russian armor in the first place.

Just stop.
 
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So, let me get this straight:

Victoria Nuland saying "**** you" on a tapped phone call to the EU and handing out cookies to protesters on the Maidan is sufficient proof to demonstrate a US overthrow of Ukraine.

Russian military gear that is only known to serve with Russia, Russian soldiers taking selfies in Ukraine and posting them to social media, Russian marines found on TV at Donetsk airport, and Russian paratroopers getting captured 25 miles on the wrong side of the border is not sufficient proof. We need satellite imagery.

You guys, I swear.
 
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Burhead said:
Russia supports terrorists: Russia committed air strike over Ukrainian troops' positions - air force, army, Russian Army, Horlivka, Russia, Yurii Butusov, Debaltseve, Debaltseve salient, Russia supports terrorists, Russian incursion (09.02.15 19:02)

@mletterle 1m1 minute ago

Ukrainian forces sustain serious losses says DPR, while Kyiv denies that Ukrainian forces trapped in Debaltseve per Interfax.
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yeah, i think we could find easy proof of an air strike, and after Malaysia air you got to think everybody is watching their radars, until something else comes out I won't believe it.
 
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Pacer92 said:
Yet another Facebook claim? In today's media world where US satellites can photo the color of flowers around your mailbox, why do keep getting reports of a Russian invasion with only pics of a patch on someone's shoulder or a Facebook declaration?

I'm ready to SEE these columns of tanks, men and planes in Russian uniform..
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Maybe we'll get lucky and they'll post a selfie in instagram as they are rolling across the border... and accidentlly drop a passport on the ground.
 
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