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WriterVol said:
Does anyone else think it's a little weird that Jones has to explain himself at all if he hires DeBord? If the guy truly is the best fit with him, the other coaches, and the players, it's exactly who he should hire. After all, it doesn't matter who he hires, the proof will come in next year's pudding anyway.

I guess I expect too much in thinking "we" should at least wait until the first jet sweep to start whining about it. Reading some comments in the FF (I know, I know), you'd think people were ready to turn in their fan cards based on a coordinator hire.

On the flip side, the last couple of coordinator hires made in the middle of a head coach's tenure have been monumental failures. Well, I guess I answered my own question there. Had Clawson and Sunseri not been so bad year-one, this fan base would probably be quite a bit more relaxed.
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I think he is trying to tame any potential negativity through NSD. We have momentum and someone like Richmond a slight bit of negativity could be difference
 
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volfan4evr said:
If I'm the CMU AD, I'd be pi$$ed about this if so. I mean, he has to recruit as well. I just think they may be waiting till NSD as well to announce. Tell me another school that would wait this long and so close to NSD to find a HC?
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If they know who it is, they have already told their players and recruits most likely. They will especially explain to their recruits why they are waiting and to trust them. Maybe whoever they are hiring requested that the announcement not be made, as they wanted to finish their recruiting job at their current position. If so and it is one of ours, I think that speaks to the high level of respect that this staff has for each other and especially to Butch and this program.
 
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Only coaches I've read that CBJ is interviewing is offensive coaches. That would tell me that no D coaches are leaving. And yes, we only have to replace one coach, as we know it.
 
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WriterVol said:
Does anyone else think it's a little weird that Jones has to explain himself at all if he hires DeBord? If the guy truly is the best fit with him, the other coaches, and the players, it's exactly who he should hire. After all, it doesn't matter who he hires, the proof will come in next year's pudding anyway.

I guess I expect too much in thinking "we" should at least wait until the first jet sweep to start whining about it. Reading some comments in the FF (I know, I know), you'd think people were ready to turn in their fan cards based on a coordinator hire.

On the flip side, the last couple of coordinator hires made in the middle of a head coach's tenure have been monumental failures. Well, I guess I answered my own question there. Had Clawson and Sunseri not been so bad year-one, this fan base would probably be quite a bit more relaxed.
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I'm of two minds with this. If this whole thing blows up it will be CBJ that gets fired, and since he's the one who will be held accountable he's the one who should be making the decision. On the other hand there should be some outside influence that at least bends his ear a bit to help develop his thinking (probably not us on the message boards, but maybe people in the AD).

I'll try not to complain too much until we see how it works out.

It's worth noting that if he hires Debord it would be pretty clear he's doing the exact opposite thing that CDD and CPF did when they hired Sunseri and Clawson. He's going for continuity and familiarity rather than trying to tear the whole system down and rebuild it in a crucial year for him. Debord may have a history with more of a pro-style offense but if he's hired he'll run CBJ's offense. With their prior relationship CBJ can be sure of that. I don't think it's all that hard for a good offensive mind to jump between different styles of offense. A lot of the concepts about how to apply pressure to a defense have to be the same.
 
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volfan4evr said:
Only coaches I've read that CBJ is interviewing is offensive coaches. That would tell me that no D coaches are leaving. And yes, we only have to replace one coach, as we know it.
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Exactly (Azzani and Mahoney are who I'm referencing).
 
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nicksjuzunk said:
This is probably going to be long, but I'm going to lay out my thoughts on what is going on with the OC search:

Mike DeBord: Interviews first. Why? We do not know. Possibly legit OC candidate. Possibly to assess program. Possibly to float his name in NFL circles, though he is already known, so that is somewhat unlikely. If he is hired, he most likely brings no staff of his own, keeping the current staff intact, should Azzani decide to stay. It also provides an opportunity to give ZA co-coordinator duties, to add to his title/experience. It is also a "save face" move, if they cannot find another candidate, are rejected, or don't want to pay the $$$. The company line will be, "We looked, but our first guy just couldn't be beaten."

Mike Sanford: The sexy hire. BSU averaged 39.7 ppg this season. It doesn't always translate though. Former BSU OC Brent Pease failed at Florida, though Muschamp had his hands all over it. Curiously, Sanford's name has been touted highly on TOS, possibly indicating where things may be going since they have been stuck on DeBord for the last week. He interviewed for the Ohio State job earlier this month, but elected to stay at Boise. I am not sure if he had a firm offer from OSU though.

His salary of $400,000 is within the range of what we want. Going with a high $$$ coach, like Norvell, would immediately put Hart in a position to give big raises to the rest of the staff, a little bit before it is due. It's not just a $1,000,000 a year dish out for Norvell. You are looking at probably tacking on another 1.5 million for the rest of the staff. Or, you could get Sanford for $450,000 and keep the rest of the salaries subdued until we begin to win big. With Sanford being at Boise State, he probably would not bring his own staff, once again, keeping the staff intact. However, ZA would almost definitely not share co-OC duties, so he would have to be content with a "Passing Game Coordinator" title, or something along those lines.

Regardless, it is DeBord/ZA or Sanford, IMO.
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Along with supposedly turning down tOSU this month, Sanford (wisely, IMO) said no to an offer to rejoin his old colleague, Derek Mason, as Vandy's OC back in December.

Vandy apparently offered around $600,000 according to the Tennessean. If true, my guess is that UT would offer as much or more if they seriously pursue Sanford.
 
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I can't tell y'all how pumped I am for ETSU to play in Neyland. I sent in a capital contribution yesterday to reserve my club level seats at ETSU's new stadium which will be done in 2017. It's gonna be awesome.

I bleed Orange but I'll always be getting Buc'd up too.
 
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volfan4evr said:
If I'm the CMU AD, I'd be pi$$ed about this if so. I mean, he has to recruit as well. I just think they may be waiting till NSD as well to announce. Tell me another school that would wait this long and so close to NSD to find a HC?
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Be pissed. No one is holding his feet to the fire. Find someone available, outside our program, if he wants
 
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VOLinCO said:
Along with supposedly turning down tOSU this month, Sanford (wisely, IMO) said no to an offer to rejoin his old colleague, Derek Mason, as Vandy's OC back in December.

Vandy apparently offered around $600,000 according to the Tennessean. If true, my guess is that UT would offer as much or more if they seriously pursue Sanford.
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Vandy is a dead end and made no sense for him to leave his alma mater for a lame duck coach. I don't know what all happened with Ohio ST. gig but I could see why one might hesitate because of expectations being National Title or bust to follow up an amazing coaching job by Tom Herman.

TN offers a really intriguing situation for someone with all of the talent coming back and coming in. It's a team with momentum and expectations but not national title in year 1 expectations. It's a situation that if successful the OC and DC become two of the hottest names in college football by bringing back TN to a national stage. Butch is honestly recruiting at a level that makes it really really hard to fail.
 
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OGbabyaviVol said:
Bingo. I think it's weird too. Maybe someone on our staff, and Butch asked if they would wait to announce after NSD? I am wondering if more than one coach is heading there, and our new OC will be bringing in a lot of his own staff, minus Gillespie...I think he sticks as RB coach and gets recruiting coordinator promotion.
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I suppose it's possible. Of course CM has a recruiting class to sign as well. I can't say if I were AD at CM that I would hamstring our class to help TN solidify theirs. Jmo
 
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Nashvegas31 said:
Vandy is a dead end and made no sense for him to leave his alma mater for a lame duck coach. I don't know what all happened with Ohio ST. gig but I could see why one might hesitate because of expectations being National Title or bust to follow up an amazing coaching job by Tom Herman.

TN offers a really intriguing situation for someone with all of the talent coming back and coming in. It's a team with momentum and expectations but not national title in year 1 expectations. It's a situation that if successful the OC and DC become two of the hottest names in college football by bringing back TN to a national stage. Butch is honestly recruiting at a level that makes it really really hard to fail.
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I agree and Boise state is losing RB jay ajayi, hedrick the QB, WR Dallas Burroughs and WR Matt Miller. Hedrick and
Ajayi combined for almost 2500yards and 36 rushing TDs. Boise had 39rushing TDs total. That's a lot of production
gone in the backfield.
 
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Nashvegas31 said:
Vandy is a dead end and made no sense for him to leave his alma mater for a lame duck coach. I don't know what all happened with Ohio ST. gig but I could see why one might hesitate because of expectations being National Title or bust to follow up an amazing coaching job by Tom Herman.

TN offers a really intriguing situation for someone with all of the talent coming back and coming in. It's a team with momentum and expectations but not national title in year 1 expectations. It's a situation that if successful the OC and DC become two of the hottest names in college football by bringing back TN to a national stage. Butch is honestly recruiting at a level that makes it really really hard to fail.
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Agree on all counts. However, I do suspect his agent will use the recent interest from other programs to secure a considerable bump in pay should UT have that discussion.

Should UT go with Sanford, I am curious if they will seek a 3-year deal.
 
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Here is what is funny. Some of you think that the reason Butch is delaying announcing Debord until after NSD is because of the negative reaction from this message broad!? Now that is funny. I think some posters miiiiight have a slightly inflated view of the weight that the opinion they spew on here carries with the people that matter at UT. I love that this board exists and enjoy the updates of information that usually reach this board before news outlets. But the opinions shared on this site are like the National Enquirer, fit entertainment purposes only. They certainly do not dictate the actions of CBJ or the UT administration.
 
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