Obama admin has done a good job managing the economic crisis of Bush

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Gramps said:
1. I am not a lib nor a far right wing conservative, thank God.

2. The government is a business. As with any business when that business spends more money than it brings in that leaves a negative balance.

3 . Tax cuts can be a very good thing but it was STUPID to cut taxes, start 2 wars plus the war on terror, open a new unneeded cabinet department, start the medicare prescription D program, etc. All under a R administration and congress.

How were we suppose to pay for all these added expenses while cutting revenue ?

Check history the R' s spends as much money as the D's . some on the right refuse to accept that fact. Neither side is fiscally conservative. The R are hypocrites in pretending to be. The D's at least say they are for spending big money.
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Wrong! The government is not a business, it is more akin to a 501. It produces nothing and makes no money (read profit). It functions on donations much like a 501. Many donate (via extorted taxes) and most don't. It is supposed to exist for the good of all. Sometimes it does, most times it doesn't. That's not to say it shouldn't be run like a business. But to think or even imply that it is a business is to imply that the money it makes (i.e. taxes) it is entitled too. That is simply not true. That is why you keep getting called a lib. Taxes don't belong to the government, they belong to the people that pay them.

I would be curious to know just how many people are net tax payers on VN. I am betting 40/60 net to net 0.
 
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Gramps said:
You do know people do not have to buy milk.
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True. People don't have to buy milk, ice cream, yogurt, butter, cheese, bread, pastries, ext, ext.

All mothers can breastfeed since, wait for it............. formula is made from.............. you guessed it MILK.
 
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Gramps said:
The market, supply and demand, will set the price. There is zero logical reason we subsidize the huge corporations. If they cannot operate their business without taxpayer money they need to close their doors.
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Agreed
 
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hog88 said:
It's all relative. More money in the pocket equals more spending. However higher wages leads to higher taxes and don't always result in more money in the pocket.
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And higher prices due to higher costs which leads to less spending which leads to fewer jobs.... It's amazing how that works.
 
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Gramps said:
The majority of farm subsidies goes to corporate farmers.
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Debatable but besides the point.

Agriculture subsidies were enacted in the 30s (dairy 1940s) to one- support small family farms during the depression and two- ensure a stable food supply.

Here's a couple articles. And a quote from one about dairy.

The Farm Bill: From Charitable Start To Prime Budget Target : The Salt : NPR

Dairy Product Price Support Program (DPPSP), Formerly the Milk Price Support Program

The MPSP has never paid farmers directly, but purchases dairy products from processors and vendors to allow farmers to be paid the mandated support price for their milk.
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It also bars farmers from setting their own prices.
 
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FLVOL69 said:
Unemployment was 3.5 to 4 percent for most of his term, which translates to pretty much full employment. And he didn't skew the figures like obama has not including the labor participation rate.
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With high job participation numbers, that is the key. You can have 0 unemployment and if the labor participation numbers are small it is equivalent to high unemployment (hint: look around you now).
 
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82_VOL_83 said:
Wrong! The government is not a business, it is more akin to a 501. It produces nothing and makes no money (read profit). It functions on donations much like a 501. Many donate (via extorted taxes) and most don't. It is supposed to exist for the good of all. Sometimes it does, most times it doesn't. That's not to say it shouldn't be run like a business. But to think or even imply that it is a business is to imply that the money it makes (i.e. taxes) it is entitled too. That is simply not true. That is why you keep getting called a lib. Taxes don't belong to the government, they belong to the people that pay them.

I would be curious to know just how many people are net tax payers on VN. I am betting 40/60 net to net 0.
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I really don't give a shat what people call me. I speak my mind and that ain't going to change. I see a little good and a lot of bad in both parties. It amazing me how these political parties have people worshiping them. They are both crooked as crooked can be.
The government is not a business per say but we have let our government grow to the point it is a huge business, a money losing business thanks to the people we keep electing.
 
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hog88 said:
True. People don't have to buy milk, ice cream, yogurt, butter, cheese, bread, pastries, ext, ext.

All mothers can breastfeed since, wait for it............. formula is made from.............. you guessed it MILK.
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Why do you think God gave them breast? :)
 
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Gramps said:
I really don't give a shat what people call me. I speak my mind and that ain't going to change. I see a little good and a lot of bad in both parties. It amazing me how these political parties have people worshiping them. They are both crooked as crooked can be.
The government is not a business per say but we have let our government grow to the point it is a huge business, a money losing business thanks to the people we keep electing.
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The government is not a business in any form or fashion. If it were a business;

1. it would have filed for bankruptcy decades ago and been sold off in piecemeal

2. it officers would be in prison for accounting fraud
 
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Vol8188 said:
Wouldn't it be more efficient for me to directly pay the additional price than for the government to pay it?
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Yes because inflation lowers your debt and somehow increases your income. The mathematical explanation of which we have been waiting 6 months for.
 
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82_VOL_83 said:
Yes because inflation lowers your debt and somehow increases your income. The mathematical explanation of which we have been waiting 6 months for.
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I've claimed inflation increased income, but it's a simple fact that inflation devalues debt
 
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Gramps said:
I really don't give a shat what people call me. I speak my mind and that ain't going to change. I see a little good and a lot of bad in both parties. It amazing me how these political parties have people worshiping them. They are both crooked as crooked can be.
The government is not a business per say but we have let our government grow to the point it is a huge business, a money losing business thanks to the people we keep electing.
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So in calling it a business you agree that it is entitled to the taxes that it levies?
 
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82_VOL_83 said:
Welfare eats tax revenue, corporate welfare produces jobs. Although your math doesn't support that.
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You drinking the kool-aid heavy today.

Why should my tax money go to some corporation vs a poor person?

A government handout is a government handout regardless of who is receiving it. A corporation or a bum, they are taking taxpayer m9ney.
 
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Gramps said:
You drinking the kool-aid heavy today.

Why should my tax money go to some corporation vs a poor person?

A government handout is a government handout regardless of who is receiving it. A corporation or a bum, they are taking taxpayer m9ney.
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How is it a handout if the corporation is probably paying in more than the subsidies in the first place. The government doesn't make handouts, it brokers them. IT ISN'T THE GOVERNMENT'S MONEY TO BEGIN WITH!
 
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Gramps said:
You drinking the kool-aid heavy today.

Why should my tax money go to some corporation vs a poor person?

A government handout is a government handout regardless of who is receiving it. A corporation or a bum, they are taking taxpayer m9ney.
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Why don't you keep your tax money a give it to poor people yourself?
 
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Gramps said:
You drinking the kool-aid heavy today.

Why should my tax money go to some corporation vs a poor person?

A government handout is a government handout regardless of who is receiving it. A corporation or a bum, they are taking taxpayer m9ney.
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Except what many of you consider corporate welfare is in reality tax deductions or credits. Much like you deduct mortgage interest.
 
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hog88 said:
Except what many of you consider corporate welfare is in reality tax deductions or credits. Much like you deduct mortgage interest.
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Exactly, just like the so called subsidies for the oil companies, when in fact they're tax deductions.
 
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