Obama admin has done a good job managing the economic crisis of Bush

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#VFL__ said:
I'm man enough to admit that at one time I thought conservatives who were only concerned with guns and the bible were idiots. I've now realized that they are just as valuable to our country as anyone else. It's money that has ruined our country. You can continue to blame liberals until you die. It really doesn't matter, you represet our politics now days and that's pretty f'in sad. A bunch a midly intelligent people blaming other Americans for problems that none of us had a hand in. Cool dude.
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Money hasn't ruined our country! It's the thought many have that everyone should have the equal amount wether they earned it or not.
 
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hog88 said:
Money hasn't ruined our country! It's the thought many have that everyone should have the equal amount wether they earned it or not.
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I would also go a step further and say the grasp many Americans have on our language is also killing our country.
 
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Vol8188 said:
You don't consider the bank bailouts both in the 90s and 08 to be welfare?
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I considered them stupid.

Welfare is continual and provides a means of support to those who will not or cannot support themselves.
 
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Vol8188 said:
That's not what I was saying at all. I was saying Bush wasn't even in office in 2000.

But you're still wrong. Both of these occurred during 2008.

How did you post that was 100% false get 5 likes? That's sad.
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what the hell are you talking about? Obama signed a massive stimulus package in 2009 (shovel ready jobs, remember?) to the tune of over 1 trillion dollars once interest was factored in. Earlier that year he signed a massive omnibus spending bill that he claimed didn't contain a single pork project, yet it contained over 3000 earmarks for pet projects from both sides of the House.

The American Recovery and Reinvestment Act of 2009: Information Center

President Obama to Sign Pork-Laden Omnibus Spending Bill - ABC News

You might be able to make the tenuous claim that the omnibus bill has origins in the Bush administration and therefore it is Bush's responsibility, but it was never laid on his desk.
 
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hog88 said:
Let's rid ourselves of all government subsidies. I'm game.

Want to take a guess at what a gallon of milk would cost?
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Wouldn't it be more efficient for me to directly pay the additional price than for the government to pay it?
 
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MG1968 said:
what the hell are you talking about? Obama signed a massive stimulus package in 2009 (shovel ready jobs, remember?) to the tune of over 1 trillion dollars once interest was factored in. Earlier that year he signed a massive omnibus spending bill that he claimed didn't contain a single pork project, yet it contained over 3000 earmarks for pet projects from both sides of the House.

The American Recovery and Reinvestment Act of 2009: Information Center

President Obama to Sign Pork-Laden Omnibus Spending Bill - ABC News

You might be able to make the tenuous claim that the omnibus bill has origins in the Bush administration and therefore it is Bush's responsibility, but it was never laid on his desk.
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Honestly I misreaad the whole thing and thought you were talking about the bailouts.
 
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Vol8188 said:
Wouldn't it be more efficient for me to directly pay the additional price than for the government to pay it?
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As I said I'm game. Cull all subsidies to corporations and individuals.

I can afford $8 a gallon or more for milk, meat prices double and most all food go up a minimum 25-30%.

I'll just move back home to the farm, cut the herd down about 50% and be happy as can be.
 
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hog88 said:
As I said I'm game. Cull all subsidies to corporations and individuals.

I can afford $8 a gallon or more for milk, meat prices double and most all food go up a minimum 25-30%.

I'll just move back home to the farm, cut the herd down about 50% and be happy as can be.
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So you think big government prevents 8 dollar per gallon milk (which we both know is an outrage over estimate).

Is it cheaper for me to

A. Spend an extra dollar for a gallon of milk
Or
B. Spend an extra dollar in taxes of which 60% will probably go to pay someone idiot at the FDAs salary and only 40 cents will actually be applied to the milk price
 
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Vol8188 said:
So you think big government prevents 8 dollar per gallon milk (which we both know is an outrage over estimate).

Is it cheaper for me to

A. Spend an extra dollar for a gallon of milk
Or
B. Spend an extra dollar in taxes of which 60% will probably go to pay someone idiot at the FDAs salary and only 40 cents will actually be applied to the milk price
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$8 per gallon is a conservative estimate and yes federal pricing regulations and subsidies prevent this.

Here is an article on how milk is priced. Read it and you'll understand why I'm all for ending price supports. Many, many farms would fail but those that survive would be doing extremely well.

The US milk payment system...How do they control the moooovements?
 
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hog88 said:
As I said I'm game. Cull all subsidies to corporations and individuals.

I can afford $8 a gallon or more for milk, meat prices double and most all food go up a minimum 25-30%.

I'll just move back home to the farm, cut the herd down about 50% and be happy as can be.
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The market, supply and demand, will set the price. There is zero logical reason we subsidize the huge corporations. If they cannot operate their business without taxpayer money they need to close their doors.
 
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Gramps said:
The market, supply and demand, will set the price. There is zero logical reason we subsidize the huge corporations. If they cannot operate their business without taxpayer money they need to close their doors.
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Agreed.

But then again do you know the reason farm subsidies came about?
 
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Gramps said:
The market, supply and demand, will set the price. There is zero logical reason we subsidize the huge corporations. If they cannot operate their business without taxpayer money they need to close their doors.
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agreed. Equilibrium market prices will be achieved automatically. What we have right now is crony capitalism. Politicians interfere with the market, then when the market results don't work they cry fowl and tell us that we need more regulations and oversight. It's a typical cycle.
 
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