Orgeron would be a nice addition to our staff and would boost recruiting!!!!

#27
#27
hatvol96 said:
Stop it. You jagoffs keep injecting logic into this discussion. Why must you people interfere with the irrational ravings of people crushed by the departure of a Wide Recievers Coach/Rodeo Clown/Gymnist who helped UT win exactly nothing during his tenure?
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hatvol96 said:
I agree. We should pay good coaches well. Rodeo Clowns/Gymnists? Not so much.
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You're slippin' babe.

:shades:
 
#28
#28
orange parmejohn said:
actually he is, and he didnt want to leave./ the "M" word is becoming a very unpopular word, round here. use "progressionaly challenged":thumbsup:
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maybe the "M" word has reared it's ugly head now and more people are starting to realize that we are a MEDICORE team...no more and no less...
 
#29
#29
Has Marrone expressed an interested in the OC job?

Why would he want to leave an OC position in the NFL to become the OC in Knoxville?
 
#30
#30
Yeah, firing Walton really hurt them. The #2 linebacker prospect in the nation committed 24 hours after they canned Walton. Tennessee has exactly no shot at getting any of Miami's commits.
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Wow.. that makes me mad.. even after the defensive coordinator gets kicked to the curb, they still land top notch talent.. and were having trouble to even get a decent D-line man
 
#32
#32
I'd love to get Coach O's recruiting on this staff... but I wouldn't want to lose Brooks. Regardless, I don't see either of these happening.
 
#35
#35
Hotrodpinto said:
I know we need an OC but our recruiting took a big hit when we lost Trooper. I think we should look at Orgeron to be our d-line coach and recruit like a champ. Fulmer better not pull the usual crap that he does and try to promote from within. If he does then I hope he gets canned immediately. Trooper Taylor took a job at OK State to be a co-offensive coordinator. Just what the hell is a co-offensive coordinator? They have lied to him to get his recruiting abilities. He's no more an OC than he is at UT. I can't believe he went to OK State from UT. Have we let Fulmer take us this far down the food chain? If we keep giving guys like Fulmer raises for mediocrity, then we will be at the bottom of the SEC eventually.
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I have read and re read this post. I am not sure what you are trying to say... But I will paraphase
1) TT is a big lost because of Recruiting but 2) OSU has lied to him about the OC Job to obtain his recruiting. 3) TT is a Co OC and turned down the OC job at Baylor. 4)MH is giving the raises 5) Tn is mediocre.

I think TT and this mess was one of the problems with this team... There could be a lack of control over who is in charge... A mom dad thing...In which decisions by the coaches were being play against the other... I think TT leaving the team along with Cut and others will fix the Mediocre discussion... it could get worst.... but we can eventually place blame where it is or where it may fall...
 
#36
#36
hatvol96 said:
Stop it. You jagoffs keep injecting logic into this discussion. Why must you people interfere with the irrational ravings of people crushed by the departure of a Wide Recievers Coach/Rodeo Clown/Gymnist who helped UT win exactly nothing during his tenure?
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Did you know Taylor personally? I can't figure out why you have developed such hatred for him. Am I missing something here? Many of Tennessee's problems don't seem to flow from Taylor.
 
#37
#37
Sheik Yerbouti said:
Did you know Taylor personally? I can't figure out why you have developed such hatred for him. Am I missing something here? Many of Tennessee's problems don't seem to flow from Taylor.
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i don't think he hates TT, it's more a reaction to the overwhelming pitty party people are having about his departure.

i mean, it's not like people haven't overreacted to this whole situation. i think most would have liked to retain him, but if he goes, really, it's not near as big a loss as some make it out to be, and definitely not worthy of criticism he or CPF have taken the past couple of days.
 
#38
#38
Sheik Yerbouti said:
Did you know Taylor personally? I can't figure out why you have developed such hatred for him. Am I missing something here? Many of Tennessee's problems don't seem to flow from Taylor.
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I disagree... I think that TT contributed to some of the problems but not all... It Snowballed there is (no doubt about it) due to speculation, but none the less it could easily read like a Soap Opera....Why have we chosen him as the Recruiting Annointed One...We will recruit with or without him just as we did before he got here.... We do not need the high profile recruits this year.... We will bounce next year an come back for the 2009 recruiting year...
 
#39
#39
Sudden Impact said:
I disagree... I think that TT contributed to some of the problems but not all... It Snowballed there is (no doubt about it) due to speculation, but none the less it could easily read like a Soap Opera....Why have we chosen him as the Recruiting Annointed One...We will recruit with or without him just as we did before he got here.... We do not need the high profile recruits this year.... We will bounce next year an come back for the 2009 recruiting year...
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How come the Florida's and USC's of the world don't have this problem. They have great classes every year.
But at Tennessee, we don't need a top class this year to stay with them. We must have a top class in order to stay within striking distance of Florida, LSU, and Georgia.
 
#40
#40
Sudden Impact said:
I disagree... I think that TT contributed to some of the problems but not all... It Snowballed there is (no doubt about it) due to speculation, but none the less it could easily read like a Soap Opera....Why have we chosen him as the Recruiting Annointed One...We will recruit with or without him just as we did before he got here.... We do not need the high profile recruits this year.... We will bounce next year an come back for the 2009 recruiting year...
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I'm talking about UT's problems on the field, during the regular season. I don't think Taylor caused many of those.

I can't understand what problems you are talking about.
 
#41
#41
jakez4ut said:
i don't think he hates TT, it's more a reaction to the overwhelming pitty party people are having about his departure.

i mean, it's not like people haven't overreacted to this whole situation. i think most would have liked to retain him, but if he goes, really, it's not near as big a loss as some make it out to be, and definitely not worthy of criticism he or CPF have taken the past couple of days.
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I think the pity party is a bit nuts too, but I don't think I would crap all over TT as a way of expressing it. The level of vitriol in Hatvol's (and some other posters') posts about TT is disturbing. Also, the stuff they choose to pick on (such as backwards hat, chest bumping, etc.) is really superficial. It's confusing.
 
#42
#42
Sheik Yerbouti said:
I'm talking about UT's problems on the field, during the regular season. I don't think Taylor caused many of those.

I can't understand what problems you are talking about.
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You agree that we had problems on the field.... Sometimes or better yet a lot of the time the locker room and coaches problems carries over to the field of play.... This has been going on for sometime now and I think it is just now coming to a head... Don't think a lot of us have been privy to everything... Kids are very impressionable... Time will tell... I think there has be a lot of Job insecurity on the Staff this year at UT and that Fulmer was not the only Coach with his neck on the Line....
 
#43
#43
Sudden Impact said:
You agree that we had problems on the field.... Sometimes or better yet a lot of the time the locker room and coaches problems carries over to the field of play.... This has been going on for sometime now and I think it is just now coming to a head... Don't think a lot of us have been privy to everything... Kids are very impressionable... Time will tell... I think there has be a lot of Job insecurity on the Staff this year at UT and that Fulmer was not the only Coach with his neck on the Line....
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You have failed to link any of this to TT as opposed to any of the other coaches. So, again, I don't understand your point.
 
#44
#44
Sheik Yerbouti said:
I think the pity party is a bit nuts too, but I don't think I would crap all over TT as a way of expressing it. The level of vitriol in Hatvol's (and some other posters') posts about TT is disturbing. Also, the stuff they choose to pick on (such as backwards hat, chest bumping, etc.) is really superficial. It's confusing.
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I do think some are reading between the lines. I do think some are reading between the lines for good reason... Agree on the crap about the backwards hat, chest bumping, etc it is not an area that should be focused on when dealing with TT... it is a additive... But when people give justifiable statements here on the board as to why he should not be the OC... then those who are supportive of the above get upset and refuse to accept the logical reasoning...for his departure... Bottom Line is that he is gone... Some are happy and Some are sad... I for one am happy with his decision and wish him the best as Co OC at Ok State... Why he did not take the OC job at his alma mater still puzzles me.... and he must have felt he was not ready for an OC position on his own....
 
#45
#45
Sheik Yerbouti said:
You have failed to link any of this to TT as opposed to any of the other coaches. So, again, I don't understand your point.
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Better yet reference what you are saying.... Just look at the facts before TT , during TT and after....
 
#46
#46
Sudden Impact said:
Better yet reference what you are saying.... Just look at the facts before TT , during TT and after....
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There are no "after" TT facts yet.

The facts during his tenure are these: (1) he recruits well; (2) several key players really like him; (3) the running backs performed well when he was assigned to coach them; (4) the receivers had a great season last year when he was assigned to coach them; and (5) the receivers (with the exception of Kenny O'Neil) performed better than expected this year. Maybe you know different facts than me, but this is how I see it. Based on these facts, I think TT was a fine coach. I don't see anything that tells me he has the skills to be UT's OC, but I don't see anything that justifies running him through the dirt at every opportunity either.

When you speak in sentence fragments, I can't understand you.
 
#47
#47
Sheik Yerbouti said:
There are no "after" TT facts yet.

I don't see anything that tells me he has the skills to be UT's OC, but I don't see anything that justifies running him through the dirt at every opportunity either.

Accept then that he is not going to be the OC at UT. Enough Said. I think that all of us agree that there are problems at UT on and off the field....
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#49
#49
Sudden Impact said:
Sheik Yerbouti said:
There are no "after" TT facts yet.

I don't see anything that tells me he has the skills to be UT's OC, but I don't see anything that justifies running him through the dirt at every opportunity either.

Accept then that he is not going to be the OC at UT. Enough Said. I think that all of us agree that there are problems at UT on and off the field....
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Are you drunk? I entered this thread to ask why Hatvol was being to caustic toward TT, not to argue that TT should be UT's OC. If you read my posts, I think you would see that. I have no clue what you are talking about. I'm done discussing this with you until you dry out.

I still haven't heard from Hatvol.




To get back on topic: I would like to see Coach O at UT for only one reason. I could finally fulfill my dream of organizing a "Tan-Off" between him and CBP. Honestly, who has the more ridiculous, fake-looking, orange "sun tan", Bruce Pearl or Ed Orgeron?
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#50
#50
Sheik Yerbouti said:
I think the pity party is a bit nuts too, but I don't think I would crap all over TT as a way of expressing it. The level of vitriol in Hatvol's (and some other posters') posts about TT is disturbing. Also, the stuff they choose to pick on (such as backwards hat, chest bumping, etc.) is really superficial. It's confusing.
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when people have been defending TT and giving reasons why he should still be here they alwasy refer to his enthusiasm, player relation ships and sideline demeanor. very rarely, if at all, are there any reasons put forth for such a promotion that list qualifications. hence the references to hats, chest bumping etc... i think you may be reading too much in to the comments.
Sudden Impact said:
Better yet reference what you are saying.... Just look at the facts before TT , during TT and after....
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Before TT we had one of the most successful runs Tennessee has ever had. since his arrival we have won a cotton bowl and.........

i mean i'm not saying he didnt' do a good job at what he was doing, i think he did for the positions he coached. but let's not confuse what actually happened with some reformation project the he alone was repsonsible for. he came on in 04 and we won a cotton bowl. we went 5-6 in 05, lost the outback bowl last year and lost the SEC title game this year. call me crazy, but i'd say we were wildly more successful before TT ever set foot on campus. and he's leaving us in basically the same shape as it was when he arrived.

anyway, my point is, this has gotten way over blown and doesn't deserve the fall out it's getting around here.

A position coach got a job at another school. it happens. and we could be better off for it.
 
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