The Official Libertarian/Anarcho-Capitalist Thread

#201
#201
LouderVol said:
as soon as you went back to a private police force it would go back here, and no reason to believe the judges would be any different. and what if I don't agree to abide by the judges decision and like beating your peaceful face in, not threatening you here going back to the hypothetical. What happens when you want a judge that I know favors your side, not strictly corrupt but biased (as all humans are) I am not going to agree to listen to him or vise versa. what happens if i get out of dodge? what happens if i have no money for a private firm to defend me or hear my case? your subscription is starting to sound a lot like taxes, you just want to argue who ends up with the money.
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Honestly, I've already answered most of your questions and now you're just reaching. Is AnCap perfect? Of course not, but it's miles better than what we have now.

If you think a subscription service sounds like taxes, just remember one thing, the subscription service is voluntary, taxes are taken by force of government.
 
#202
#202
What happens when I hire private firm A to keep your private firm B away from me, are they going to duke it out? if they get tied to a judges ruling you can throw a fair trial out the window when it goes to judge that has 'worked' with one of our private firms before.
 
#203
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DEFENDTHISHOUSE said:
Honestly, I've already answered most of your questions and now you're just reaching. Is AnCap perfect? Of course not, but it's miles better than what we have now.

If you think a subscription service sounds like taxes, just remember one thing, the subscription service is voluntary, taxes are taken by force of government.
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and so if i don't subscribe I don't get justice? isn't that about half the problem of this nation where the haves get 'more justice/protection' than the have nots. you are arguing decimal location if that is the case
 
#205
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LouderVol said:
so go back to the days before the FDA required companies to put the contents on the label. I hear that cyanide and arsenic add real nice flavoring to food. And that whole asbestos thing, sure am glad the government didn't look into that and its links to cancer. I also miss lead pipes and paint.
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These are the dumbest and worst examples you could have used.
 
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LouderVol said:
not that I am going to necessarily disagree with you, but care to expand on this? particularly, why?
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Made a good bit of money on lead and asbestos abatement. So I have experience with both. Both take ingesting massive amounts or prolonged (as in working with them every day) exposure to do any harm.

Do some research on both and the movements to rid them. Special interests at its finest.
 
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hog88 said:
Made a good bit of money on lead and asbestos abatement. So I have experience with both. Both take ingesting massive amounts or prolonged (as in working with them every day) exposure to do any harm.

Do some research on both and the movements to rid them. Special interests at its finest.
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working in the building industry I know there is a lot of money to be made there, doesn't mean we shouldn't have used that stuff in the first place, or left it in place because someone makes some money.

asbestos was insulation back in the day,trapped it up in the ceilings where the air ducts run, any puncture in the duct it gets in, any puncture or gap in the ceiling, or even dust from the asbestos gets into the rooms below, and people breathe it in, problem. Teacher at my school got cancer and was awarded money by a manufacturer.

lead has been proven to cause mental problems and kill plants on the side of the road, yes by ingesting. too bad we loved lead pipes for our potable water. The water sits in the pipes while not in use, water is a solution and breaks down almost everything, all those little lead particles could end up anywhere. seems like they needed to be gotten rid of.

If i remember correctly much of the funding looking into asbestos came from the gov. and it wasn't until the government banned both that manufacturers stopped producing them. Meaning that they still were after the studies came out and said they were dangerous. seems like we should be glad government stepped in.

unless you are able to explain why the government shouldn't have stepped in beyond someone made money after pushing the fed, that's how all bills get passed so nothing special, I am not going to take back my statement.
 
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LouderVol said:
What happens when I hire private firm A to keep your private firm B away from me, are they going to duke it out? if they get tied to a judges ruling you can throw a fair trial out the window when it goes to judge that has 'worked' with one of our private firms before.
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Governments go to war cause they don't bear the true cost of the war. Firm A will bear the true cost of the war, and knows that its service prices must go up to cover the cost of the war, and that makes them risk losing customers. Customers will ask, "why am I paying extra for them to unustly go to war?".

Of course there is no guarantee that there won't ever be war, but the incentives for war change, making it likely we have less war.
 
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LouderVol said:
What happens when I hire private firm A to keep your private firm B away from me, are they going to duke it out? if they get tied to a judges ruling you can throw a fair trial out the window when it goes to judge that has 'worked' with one of our private firms before.
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Wait, the judges belong to who in this scenario? Firm C?
 
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n_huffhines said:
Governments go to war cause they don't bear the true cost of the war. Firm A will bear the true cost of the war, and knows that its service prices must go up to cover the cost of the war, and that makes them risk losing customers. Customers will ask, "why am I paying extra for them to unustly go to war?".

Of course there is no guarantee that there won't ever be war, but the incentives for war change, making it likely we have less war.
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Assuming war is a choice that we have.... Standing military is more than a war machine.
 
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n_huffhines said:
Governments go to war cause they don't bear the true cost of the war. Firm A will bear the true cost of the war, and knows that its service prices must go up to cover the cost of the war, and that makes them risk losing customers. Customers will ask, "why am I paying extra for them to unustly go to war?".

Of course there is no guarantee that there won't ever be war, but the incentives for war change, making it likely we have less war.
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That's one of the most delusional things I have ever read here... Give a big ol' hug to guys like Bin Laden for us, won't ya? Since they will have zero incentive to start/wage war on us due to Pinkerton-esque security teams in place, I am sure they would be happy to sit around the dung fire and share a little goat with us.
 
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#213
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tim said:
Wait, the judges belong to who in this scenario? Firm C?
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yeah in this scenario it is C. But what I was implying that these two different firms would have different histories with said judge. Firm B might now it has more success with one judge over the other, while firm A might have pissed the judge off at some point.
 
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SpaceCoastVol said:
That's one of the most delusional things I have ever read here... Give a big ol' hug to guys like Bin Laden for us, won't ya? Since they will have zero incentive to start/wage war on us due to Pinkerton-esque security teams in place, I am sure they would be happy to sit around the dung fire and share a little goat with us.
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Well, OBL hates us because our government has been intervening in his part of the world for 50 years. Take our government out of the picture and he doesn't really have a reason to beef with us.

It's called Blowback.
 
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LouderVol said:
yeah in this scenario it is C. But what I was implying that these two different firms would have different histories with said judge. Firm B might now it has more success with one judge over the other, while firm A might have pissed the judge off at some point.
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But the arbitrator has to have a good reputation for fair decisions, or the firm that knows it will show favoritism to the other will never agree to that arbitrating body. Firm C has to be fair or it goes out of business. If it gets caught being bought off, then they're done. Their reputation is forever tarnished and no one will do business with them.

What happens when government judges are bought off? We have no choice but to continue to deal with them.

Just realize that almost every issue you have with anarcho-capitalism is an issue existing with government, but it's arguably worse with government.
 
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n_huffhines said:
Well, OBL hates us because our government has been intervening in his part of the world for 50 years. Take our government out of the picture and he doesn't really have a reason to beef with us.

It's called Blowback.
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Isolationism is a fantasy.
 
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SpaceCoastVol said:
So hiding your head in the sand and pretending it doesn't exist or that they won't bother us if we just leave them alone will change things?
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Why would they bother us if we leave them alone? I mean, if we leave them alone there might be some guy out there who wants to blow up a building still cause we drone bombed his little kid, but eventually that generation or their need for vengeance will die off. It won't if we keep killing innocents. The death of innocents is a great recruiting tool for terrorist cells.
 
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#222
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n_huffhines said:
Do you favor sanctions?
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You're gonna love this:

Not really. I prefer a scorched earth policy in some cases. However they are very specific. But there are some cases where sanctions are a somewhat effective method. The problem is that they are allowed to go on and on and on. Cuba is a good example. The only ones hurt are the common people. Castro still smokes hand rolled cigars.

But... the oil thingy going on right now is interesting. Although not a sanction, it DOES show a blueprint to putting the hurt on Putin and whatever moron is in charge in Venezuela.
 
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#223
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SpaceCoastVol said:
You're gonna love this:

Not really. I prefer a scorched earth policy in some cases. However they are very specific. But there are some cases where sanctions are a somewhat effective method. The problem is that they are allowed to go on and on and on. Cuba is a good example. The only ones hurt are the common people. Castro still smokes hand rolled cigars.

But... the oil thingy going on right now is interesting. Although not a sanction, it DOES show a blueprint to putting the hurt on Putin and whatever moron is in charge in Venezuela.
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Yeah, cause Putin is doing so poorly right now? Like you said it's the people that suffer.

We're actually in agreement on sanctions, which makes neither one of us an isolationist. I'm just a non-interventionist.
 
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n_huffhines said:
Why would they bother us if we leave them alone? I mean, if we leave them alone their might be some guy out there who wants to blow up a building still cause we drone bombed his little kid, but eventually that generation or their need for vengeance will die off. It won't if we keep killing innocents. The death of innocents is a great recruiting tool for terrorist cells.
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Dude seriously. Do a little research on islam, and radical islam in particular. We are the great unwashed. They want us dead.... dead. dead. There is no hugging these people. They are fanatic and dangerous, and have no qualms about killing anyone that does not buy into their world. Your "we are the world" fantasy is naive at best.
 
#225
#225
n_huffhines said:
Yeah, cause Putin is doing so poorly right now? Like you said it's the people that suffer.

We're actually in agreement on sanctions, which makes neither one of us an isolationist. I'm just a non-interventionist.
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I think Putin is feeling a little pain right now... not a lot.. but it is nipping at his heels. He needs $100/bbl oil to run his economy from what I have read. The Venezuelans need more than that.

As to being a non-interventionist, I suggest you move to Switzerland. We are the defacto big dog on the planet, and with that comes some -responsibilities- which unfortunately we cannot shirk easily. I would however, suggest that we get paid for some of those responsibiities. For example, if the 6th fleet is escorting a Japanese oil tanker around the horn of Africa, the Japanese .gov needs to pay for that. All of it...
 
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