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jave36 said:
I was hoping they'd get him. They can do better.
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Their options start trailing off after this and or they start breaking out the really really large checkbook and even then their list is headed down hill from here. IMO. If they spend 80 Jillion bucks on the CSU guy I will laugh my ass off.
 
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DD4ME said:
Their options start trailing off after this and or they start breaking out the really really large checkbook and even then their list is headed down hill from here. IMO. If they spend 80 Jillion bucks on the CSU guy I will laugh my ass off.
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Me too. If for no other reason than for UF fans to go "who?!"
 
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DD4ME said:
Their options start trailing off after this and or they start breaking out the really really large checkbook and even then their list is headed down hill from here. IMO. If they spend 80 Jillion bucks on the CSU guy I will laugh my ass off.
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It sure seems to be an odd hiring cycle for sure. Not too much movement out there yet, and especially not much available for a UF caliber head coach. They're gonna end up paying big, BIG money or take a big chance. I think their best bet would be going for a two headed monster hire of kingbury from TT to HC and bo pelini for DC. Highly improbable but would terrify me
 
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Face said:
It sure seems to be an odd hiring cycle for sure. Not too much movement out there yet, and especially not much available for a UF caliber head coach. They're gonna end up paying big, BIG money or take a big chance. I think their best bet would be going for a two headed monster hire of kingbury from TT to HC and bo pelini for DC. Highly improbable but would terrify me
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Kingsbury too expensive after that extension. Gundy and pelini?

Would they go for Gary Patterson?
 
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Those Calling For Mark Richt's Job Should Be Careful What They Wish For

"Joe Paterno took over as head coach at Penn State in 1966. He won his first national championship in 1982…17 seasons.

Bobby Bowden took over as head coach at Florida State in 1976. He won his first national championship in 1993…18 seasons.

Tom Osborne took over as head coach at Nebraska in 1973. He won his first national championship in 1994…22 seasons

Even Georgia’s own Vince Dooley took from 1964-1980 — 17 seasons — to win a national championship, and there are those who contend that he may not have even accomplished that were it not for the arrival of Herschel Walker.

For heaven’s sake, it even took Bear Bryant 17 years of head coaching at various stops before he rang the championship bell. But last time I checked, all of those guys are legends with their individual schools. Revered. Legends."



Food for thought in the great "fire the head coach" debate.

I agree 100% on Richt. When Tennessee is back, I expect it to look a whole bunch like what Richt is doing at UGA. Because that's what it looked like at Tennessee in the past when we are honest with ourselves.
 
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chavisut said:
Guy wasn't gettin it done so he made a change. That's what a head coach should do.
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When Bajakian's offense has a healthy, veteran OL like Vandy's, and then starts struggling to move the ball on the likes of temple and old dominion, I will agree: Bajakian must go. That's not where we are though.
 
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Question for the comparisons...

What did recruiting look like for those legendary coaches?

Mark Richt has some of the best classes each year. Each year they have one, two, or even three head scratching losses.
 
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Patience is important. There is no guarantee that a 20 year coach will one day hit the top.

Fortunately, Butch will be winning championships within the next 3 seasons and we will only have to gripe about how he's lost it, when we have 1-2 loss seasons :)
 
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Richt is a underachiever.

Bowden took a program that was less than the equivalent of MTSU and created a national power. He started from scratch. That comparison in the article doesn't fit.

Penn State Same thing.

Osborne took over in the midst of Texas and Oklahoma s reign of terror.

The right coach in Georgia would be a bad thing for the SEC.

I like Richt right where he is.
 
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It's coaches like Saban that add pressure to everyone else. He shows that if you're recruiting talent at a high level every year, then you should be in the title discussion, if not playing for it and/or winning it every year.

Richt has talent but isn't producing the title runs.

The problem is, as sad as it is, there are few If any Sabans out there.
 
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volatil said:
Question for the comparisons...

What did recruiting look like for those legendary coaches?

Mark Richt has some of the best classes each year. Each year they have one, two, or even three head scratching losses.
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He'll keep doing it too and eventually all the pieces will fall into place. Richt is the tortoise path to a NC. He's steady. My brother in law is a UGA fan so I watch them more than I care too. As the previous poster posted most UGA fans know they are better of with him than following UT and UF trying to land the next Malzhan.
 
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volatil said:
Richt is a underachiever.

Bowden took a program that was less than the equivalent of MTSU and created a national power. He started from scratch. That comparison in the article doesn't fit.

Penn State Same thing.

Osborne took over in the midst of Texas and Oklahoma s reign of terror.

The right coach in Georgia would be a bad thing for the SEC.

I like Richt right where he is.
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I do too but it's not as though he is a bad coach either. Many teams would give a nut to have a coach of his caliber. I think he's a lot like Fulmer in that he is a little soft on discipline which has cost them in many years because they start with key guys suspended.
 
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DD4ME said:
I do too but it's not as though he is a bad coach either. Many teams would give a nut to have a coach of his caliber. I think he's a lot like Fulmer in that he is a little soft on discipline which has cost them in many years because they start with key guys suspended.
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I always go back to the one year he made his big mistake. He inherited David Greene but recruited DJ Shockley. Greene was still a sophomore or junior, but I believe he had promised Shockley some playing time. I believe they were undefeated going onto the Florida game, and he put Shockley into a close game, and he have up a pick six. UF won by 7, and they missed the title game. I believe they beat FSU in the Sugar and it was in 2002. His one big shot, and he blew it.
 
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If I was a UGA fan, I'd support Richt. Saban is the exception, not the rule.

As Michigan, Nebraska and UF are about to find out (like Texas before them), the market place is simply not loaded with Sabans just waiting for a phone call from a traditional power.

Richt keeps Georgia relevant and in the title chase most years.

Football is a zero sum game. If your team is winning someone else has to be losing, and vice versa. All these power schools can't win every game all the time. Georgia isn't off losing to the Louisiana-Lafayettes and Troys of the world. He usually loses to quality programs that have legit, upper tier D1 talent. Florida and USCe had mediocre years, but they weren't altogether untalented.

Anyway. Just saying because I think we need to be prepared to accept Richt-like performances at Tennessee if we want to be relevant anytime in the near future. Constant coaching turnover destroys a program.
 
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I honestly dont think Richt will ever win a NC due to the fact that the East has been historically bad the past few seasons and he STILL couldn't take advantage of it.

The two true powers of the East have both been pretty bad since 2010 (with the exception of Florida's unexpected 2012 season) and what does Richt have to show for it? 2 SEC Championship game appearances in 5 years. No rings of any kind.

It's been 10 years since he has even won an SEC Championship (Hello, Fulmer) and he's had top 3 SEC talent nearly every year since.

I'll say it right now, Tennessee and Florida rising up in the next year or so will spell the end for Richt just like Georgia, Urban's Gators and Alabama spelled the end for Fulmer.
 
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vol2002 said:
If I was a UGA fan, I'd support Richt. Saban is the exception, not the rule.

As Michigan, Nebraska and UF are about to find out (like Texas before them), the market place is simply not loaded with Sabans just waiting for a phone call from a traditional power.

Richt keeps Georgia relevant and in the title chase most years.

Football is a zero sum game. If your team is winning someone else has to be losing, and vice versa. All these power schools can't win every game all the time. Georgia isn't off losing to the Louisiana-Lafayettes and Troys of the world. He usually loses to quality programs that have legit, upper tier D1 talent. Florida and USCe had mediocre years, but they weren't altogether untalented.

Anyway. Just saying because I think we need to be prepared to accept Richt-like performances at Tennessee if we want to be relevant anytime in the near future. Constant coaching turnover destroys a program.
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You need to save these last few post for another day. I agree 100%.
 
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vol2002 said:
If I was a UGA fan, I'd support Richt. Saban is the exception, not the rule.

As Michigan, Nebraska and UF are about to find out (like Texas before them), the market place is simply not loaded with Sabans just waiting for a phone call from a traditional power.

Richt keeps Georgia relevant and in the title chase most years.

Football is a zero sum game. If your team is winning someone else has to be losing, and vice versa. All these power schools can't win every game all the time. Georgia isn't off losing to the Louisiana-Lafayettes and Troys of the world. He usually loses to quality programs that have legit, upper tier D1 talent. Florida and USCe had mediocre years, but they weren't altogether untalented.

Anyway. Just saying because I think we need to be prepared to accept Richt-like performances at Tennessee if we want to be relevant anytime in the near future. Constant coaching turnover destroys a program.
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Agreed 100%. You take the National Title Season away from the Tennessee program and we are an 8 win program from 85-2005. Now we won that title and we deserved it and it counts, but all I am saying is an 8-10 win program that has a chance each season is really all most programs can and should ask for.

Yes a once in a generation coach comes along at a school and wins multiple national titles. Neyland, Osborne, Bear, Ect. But those are .0000001% of college coaches.

There are many more Mike Shula's, Lane Kiffin's, Brad Scott's, Derek Dooley's, Jim Donnan's, Gerry Dinardo's, Houston Nutt's, ect than there are the Hall of famers.

So anyway. UGA fans be wise and be happy...one day IMO if they give Richt 10 more years all the chips will fall for them and they will win a title before he retires.

JMO.
 
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vol2002 said:
If I was a UGA fan, I'd support Richt. Saban is the exception, not the rule.

As Michigan, Nebraska and UF are about to find out (like Texas before them), the market place is simply not loaded with Sabans just waiting for a phone call from a traditional power.

Richt keeps Georgia relevant and in the title chase most years.

Football is a zero sum game. If your team is winning someone else has to be losing, and vice versa. All these power schools can't win every game all the time. Georgia isn't off losing to the Louisiana-Lafayettes and Troys of the world. He usually loses to quality programs that have legit, upper tier D1 talent. Florida and USCe had mediocre years, but they weren't altogether untalented.

Anyway. Just saying because I think we need to be prepared to accept Richt-like performances at Tennessee if we want to be relevant anytime in the near future. Constant coaching turnover destroys a program.
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I'm not disagreeing with your post, other than to question Georgia being in the title hunt most years. If you're talking about preseason hype and talk, then yeah maybe. But with the season drawing on and coming down to the wire, ehhhhh. They sometimes have outside shots at it, if things would fall just right....
 
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eazyTD said:
I honestly dont think Richt will ever win a NC due to the fact that the East has been historically bad the past few seasons and he STILL couldn't take advantage of it.

The two true powers of the East have both been pretty bad since 2010 (with the exception of Florida's unexpected 2012 season) and what does Richt have to show for it? 2 SEC Championship game appearances in 5 years. No rings of any kind.

It's been 10 years since he has even won an SEC Championship (Hello, Fulmer) and he's had top 3 SEC talent nearly every year since.

I'll say it right now, Tennessee and Florida rising up in the next year or so will spell the end for Richt just like Georgia, Urban's Gators and Alabama spelled the end for Fulmer.
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When you recruit at that level eventually you land the difference maker like Winston or Cam or Tebow that propel you to the CG. I watch these NC games and notice that usually they ride there on the backs of some studs. Richt's biggest issue is his lack of defensive continuity. Defense wins championships and he keeps shuffling the deck. Look at Jancek doing relatively well right now. UGA hated him. There have been a ton of defensive coordinators through there.
 
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