AJ Johnson Accused of Sexual Assault

#101
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bamacheats said:
No. I. Didn't.
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Yes. You. Did.

Just because you erased your post. doesn't mean you didn't say it. I just read it. "Anyone partying with football players after 2am deserves what they get".

You are saying two things-
#1 football players are sexual predators.
#2 women deserve to be raped in some situations.

Loser
 
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Wezcoast said:
Your second paragraph is exactly what I've been trying to get across. I wish we all treated each other with respect and dignity. I'd love to be able to leave my back door open all night and let some fresh air through. Mostly I wish young people could enjoy growing up while having a little fun now and then without such crushing effects on their lives. However, that's not reality. Reality is if you want to avoid being a sick statistic, you'd better have your head on straight and not go looking for trouble, because it will find you.
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I think that in many ways we largely agree. I simply don't believe that there is a blanket rule that says that all victims share some responsibility for their behavior. I think some victims share some responsibility, some share no responsibility, and some are totally to blame. Because I don't know what % to apply to any of those groups, I try to keep an open mind about both the defendant and the victim.
 
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MustafaRasta said:
I believe his POV is something like blithering idiots should STFU until more facts become present. If they keep flapping their gums like wind up chatterboxes there is a risk that an innocent man gets his name drug through the dirt while the accuser remains nameless. The system is a failure but there is no need to make use of it's failures on a ****ing college football message board.
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Give or take.
 
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daj2576 said:
I think that in many ways we largely agree. I simply don't believe that there is a blanket rule that says that all victims share some responsibility for their behavior. I think some victims share some responsibility, some share no responsibility, and some are totally to blame. Because I don't know what % to apply to any of those groups, I try to keep an open mind about both the defendant and the victim.
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Of course not all victims are to blame. People get victimized every day in broad daylight that are minding their own business. I wasn't really even talking about this particular case to begin with. I don't know anything about it. I was just venting about these situations in general because I was frustrated that we are here again, one step forward, two back. All too often though, there's a lot more to it than her side of the story tells . At any rate, if he forced himself upon the girl I wish they'd give the girls family 20mins alone with him.
 
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Wezcoast said:
Of course not all victims are to blame. People get victimized every day in broad daylight that are minding their own business. I wasn't really even talking about this particular case to begin with. I don't know anything about it. I was just venting about these situations in general because I was frustrated that we are here again, one step forward, two back. All too often though, there's a lot more to it than her side of the story tells . At any rate, if he forced himself upon the girl I wish they'd give the girls family 20mins alone with him.
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You had me up until that last sentence. There is much to criticize in the way the media and the criminal justice system handles violent crime, but to me, the one inarguable pillar of righteousness is that we still attempt to avoid (yes the death sentence could be argued for or against) cruel and inhuman punishment by giving the guilty back to the mob.
 
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daj2576 said:
You had me up until that last sentence. There is much to criticize in the way the media and the criminal justice system handles violent crime, but to me, the one inarguable pillar of righteousness is that we still attempt to avoid (yes the death sentence could be argued for or against) cruel and inhuman punishment by giving the guilty back to the mob.
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I guess if I really was in the position to make that choice , I probably wouldn't turn them loose on him. Ideally, they do deserve to get the crap beat out of them for desecrating someone's daughter/sister/etc . Rape isn't actually something I consider a capital offense. But they should be "persuaded" to never do it again.
 
#107
#107
Nobody actualy KNOWS anything at this point.

The investigators and DA will gather all the info they can and decide how to proceed and only then will any of us know more so all we can do is be patient and see what happens.

Here's what we do know however, no matter what buTch and the coaches can say or do this WILL have a negative effect on our footVol team.

Losing the captain and on field coach of our D will hurt us.

Our team will lose some motivation and be somewhat deflated unless the investigation can happen really fast and AJ is reinstated back to the team.

No matter the outcome of this allegation it is the 2nd time this year that AJ has been accused and that will be a big black mark on AJ that the NFL wil never overlook so his draft stock just hit rock botton, innocent or not and that's sad for him.

We need to fill Neyland and scream our lungs out to show 100% total support for the kids in uniform and try to lift them up and hope for a huge WIN against a very tough Mizzou team!

That is all we really can do to try to help anyone at this point.

#RiseToTheTop...VFL...GBO!!!
 
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I just think no one wants to believe this because it's AJ Johnson. I mean how could that guy do it? Such a bright future. He is basically the face of our team. Holds records and would be celebrated for years to come for his contributions. It's an interesting study on fandom. We are so quick to convict Jameis and others and now here we are with our star player.

I think people are right in saying regardless of what happens, AJ will not play another snap at UT again. I also think his only hope is if the accuser somehow has a change of heart and retracts her statement. Then maybe he could get some of his reputation back and UT won't have to disown him from their memories.
 
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Does anyone know how quick an investigation like this can conclude? Is it even possible to have it concluded in time to get AJ back this week and give justice it's due?

It's important to get the beast back, but it's SOOOO much more important we get this right. UT is NOT FSU and under NO CIRCUMSTANCE can we have a cover up here, nor should AJ lose his last 2 games due to a false allegation. It just sucks and I cannot believe the timing with UT having a real chance to at least decide who goes to the SEC championship and beat a top 25 team.

GBO and beat those damn tigers!
 
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Guyute said:
Yes. You. Did.

Just because you erased your post. doesn't mean you didn't say it. I just read it. "Anyone partying with football players after 2am deserves what they get".

You are saying two things-
#1 football players are sexual predators.
#2 women deserve to be raped in some situations.

Loser
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Yeah I wish you guys would just hit the ignore button under his name and quit quoting and arguing with him. He and he alone has been on my ignore list for a long time. I'm not going to try to explain Nietzsche to my dog and I'm not going to try to explain to this moron that a nude woman walking down a dark alley, while having a high probability of being raped, never "deserves" to be raped.



BTW, a college party at 2am saturday shouldn't be a high probability place....just sayin
 
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Wezcoast said:
I guess if I really was in the position to make that choice , I probably wouldn't turn them loose on him. Ideally, they do deserve to get the crap beat out of them for desecrating someone's daughter/sister/etc . Rape isn't actually something I consider a capital offense. But they should be "persuaded" to never do it again.
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At the risk of pissing someone else off and ending up with 2 people on my ignore list I disagree with everything you said. If you're young and raging against the world :rock: I get it, but at some point I hope you'll try elevating your thinking to no one deserves to be beaten, or raped, or killed. Not even the beater, the raper, or the killer.
 
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MoltenOrangeCore said:
At the risk of pissing someone else off and ending up with 2 people on my ignore list I disagree with everything you said. If you're young and raging against the world :rock: I get it, but at some point I hope you'll try elevating your thinking to no one deserves to be beaten, or raped, or killed. Not even the beater, the raper, or the killer.
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So if someone breaks into your home, rapes and kills your family, they deserve 3 meals a day, heat, air, education if they want it, free exercise, healthcare, attorneys, TV? Nothing personal, but I disagree with your disagreement. Punishment should fit the crime.
 
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MoltenOrangeCore said:
At the risk of pissing someone else off and ending up with 2 people on my ignore list I disagree with everything you said. If you're young and raging against the world :rock: I get it, but at some point I hope you'll try elevating your thinking to no one deserves to be beaten, or raped, or killed. Not even the beater, the raper, or the killer.
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You're assumption that your 'thinking' is elevated is intriguing...
 
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Incidents like this just boggles my mind. I don't know what happened early Sunday morning, none of us do. So, this is not me accusing or defending AJ in any way. What I don't get is why a high profile football player at a college like Tennessee would have to resort to rape? Granted I was never in that role in my life but it would seem to me that finding a willing companion would not be a problem. I imagine there would be women lined up for the chance to be with him.
 
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Of course they are lined up to get with him. IF he did do this that is just plain stupid. And if he did I'm sure strong drink was involved and he let his ego and popularity get the best of him. I doubt we will see him again this year. Thanks for playing hard AJ while you were here and good luck
 
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#117
Things like this make me so glad I'm married and neither if us like to drink really. The thought of being in the college dating/social scene looks like one of the most terrifying prospects I can think of. No matter who, guy or girl it looks like a royal mess and it makes me glad not to be there.
 
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#118
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Back in my UT days, I was at a party where 3 girls (all better than 8's) were literally throwing themselves @ a football player who had played less than 20 snaps in 4 years.
Hard to believe that A.J. would stoop this low, the man had many more paths that he could travel, each with significantly less resistance than said path in question... IMHO TIFWIW
 
#119
#119
I am not an attorney but if AJ and Williams are charged with rape and the girls drop the charges, won't the State pick up the charges and prosecute anyway?
 
#120
#120
Call me crazy but the whole thing seems strange. AJ has been a role model player, teammate, and leader for 4 years. Then he decides to go rape a girl before senior night? Seems very out of character to me, especially considering all of the praise he gotten from coach jones hell even coach Dooley. I know things like this happen everyday, but everyone needs to hold judgement until we see any proof to these allegations.
 
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#121
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GAVol said:
OK . . . Let's try this again. Sorry for the mass deletion, but there were just too many problematic posts in the first thread. Whatever you think of the allegations, they are very serious and we should respect AJ Johnson's innocence until proven guilty as well as the alleged victim's privacy.

Discuss the AJ Johnson situation here, but please avoid clues, names or anything else that might involve outing a potential sexual assault victim.

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Thank you for the "mass deletion " it was rather embarrassing for me to read that yesterday. Stay classy this time Vol Nation.
 
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#122
#122
I love how everyone just assumes that a rape occurred just because an accusation has been made.

Not saying there wasn't either.

Just saying that all this conversation is extremely immature because no one knows ANY details of what occurred.

Excuse me if I refrain from judging either party in this case until some FACTS are known.

In america we are innocent until PROVEN guilty.

And no matter what time or where we are or how we dress. Rape is never OK or the victims fault.

So let's just take a real deep breath, sit back, and wait before we start hanging anyone on either side.

With all that being said. I will admit my initial reaction is that there is only 1 reason you would go to someone's house at that time of the day. And I have had women make false claims against me, because I didn't want to run out and marry them right after we had sex for the first time.

But like I said we have no FACTS..let's wait for them before we destroy peoples reputations.
 
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I think it's all a load of crap the more and more I think about it I just don't see AJ doing that. He is a freaking star for gosh sake. He don't have to rape anyone to get laid. I really think AJ is a smart dude and a respectful one at that.
 
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