Seems like the OLine coach figured out how to fix the problem

#26
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By my count, in the first 3 quarters of the UTC game, UT went to a 2 TE set 4 times.

Three times we were in the traditional 2 tight end set. We didn't fair much better running the ball, we did get a first down on third and one, though it was due to 2nd effort by the RB.

The other time, we lined up with a TE on the line and the other as an H-Back and ran a reverse, gained a few yards.

Of the TE's that played in the game #48 seemed to give great effort trying to block with mixed results. The other guys, the freshmen, yeah...even Belichick would have a hard time getting those guys up to snuff in the time frame this staff has had with them.

You're also either forgetting or ignoring the difference between game planning in the NFL compared to college. Lining Gronk up anywhere you want is the result of being in the system for a long time, it's just another formation for them. They might not run a play they ran in week one again for two years or they might run a play four times in a game out of four different formations. That kind of stuff is hard to do at the college level.
 
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DD4ME said:
Say you go max protect with all our best blockers then according to Butch himself that still puts 5 freshman on the field, Helm, Wolf, Hurd, Robertson, and Thomas.

DAMN that's crazy.

By my way of thinking coaches share some blame for results but Bajakian plays the bigger role as the guy ultimately in control of play calls and offense.
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So we agree Bajakian needs to go?

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NEOCON said:
So we agree Bajakian needs to go?

:)
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No but I do often wonder what it would have been like to keep Chaney on staff and Pittman. Still wouldn't net us more senior linemen but all of our guys would have been in the same system. I do think that would have helped us last year and this year.
 
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Butch is kind of married to the system and it's coaches. We just have to let it mature and see if that sucker flies high in the SEC. I hate to say it that way and I don't like it but it's abundantly clear that's the situation.
 
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NEOCON said:
Jancek's schemes last year were fine.

Not enough talent.

Show me where I called out his coaching ability last year...I wasn't one of them.

I have just had enough after the FL game.

I am viewing everything this coaching staff does and questioning everything...my sunshine days are over.
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I'm sure the coaching staff will work extra hard from now on to live up to your expectations. :crazy:
 
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vol66 said:
By my count, in the first 3 quarters of the UTC game, UT went to a 2 TE set 4 times.

Three times we were in the traditional 2 tight end set. We didn't fair much better running the ball, we did get a first down on third and one, though it was due to 2nd effort by the RB.

The other time, we lined up with a TE on the line and the other as an H-Back and ran a reverse, gained a few yards.

Of the TE's that played in the game #48 seemed to give great effort trying to block with mixed results. The other guys, the freshmen, yeah...even Belichick would have a hard time getting those guys up to snuff in the time frame this staff has had with them.

You're also either forgetting or ignoring the difference between game planning in the NFL compared to college. Lining Gronk up anywhere you want is the result of being in the system for a long time, it's just another formation for them. They might not run a play they ran in week one again for two years or they might run a play four times in a game out of four different formations. That kind of stuff is hard to do at the college level.
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Good breakdown. I hadn't paid much attention to Ellis.
 
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NEOCON said:
Jancek's schemes last year were fine.

Not enough talent.

Show me where I called out his coaching ability last year...I wasn't one of them.

I have just had enough after the FL game.

I am viewing everything this coaching staff does and questioning everything...my sunshine days are over.
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So why call out Mahoney and not Jancek? Maybe, just maybe Mahoney doesn't have the talent at this point. You're full of something
 
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NEOCON said:
It took about 5 games.
The OLINE has clearly been a problem.
After losing a stud LT, the Line has been very poor this year and the QB has not had time to get the ball out. Everyone can see this.
On top of that the WR group is pretty young and inexperienced.
This was a statement written about the game:
"Not only has a shuffled offensive line failed to provide consistent protection, which causes hurried throws and physical pain, the lack of dependable targets has short-changed the quarterback, too."
But it looks like the OLINE coach has fixed this and went to a 2 TE Set.
And after a season of getting the QB scaked over and over again, the team finally went out and whipped the number one rated team in the league.

OH...you thought I was talking about the Vols, didn't you?
Hell no. Our OLINE coach is clueless..
I was talking about Bill Belichick.
He actually knows what he's doing.
Patriots bounce back by using two tight ends to rout Bengals
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Tom Brady could come on this board and post that himself OP and he would still get the same response....

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ballou1024 said:
A two tight end set would help with one releasing as a receiver sometimes?
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he better turn his head around after his first step downfield because Worley would have to release it in one second. That's a dangerous pass that could be batted up by the dt and picked.
If we could block the DE on either side, Worley would hit them all day.
 
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NEOCON said:
North, Pearson, and Malone or a mixture of this is enough to win games f Worley has time.

No blind side sack and we still beat Florida and break the streak.

the blind side sack cost us the game.

And we had only scored 9 at the point.
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So your saying because the QB, didn't pick up the blitz, and made a play that cost the game our OLC is to blame. Worley should of pick blitz up. If you go back and look at tape, he stared left the whole way. Go look at that play!!!
 
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Imagine being Worley right now. If he gets pissed at his line they could flake even more but at the same time he needs them to step up.
 
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I agree he should've seen it and got the ball out of his hands, but he shouldn't have been put in that place. Fla is down right there and Hurd just had his longest run of the day. You run the ball there, go into 4th quarter with momentum, with the ball and a 2 score lead, either a first down or 3rd and short, and a fired up crowd if you have to punt them deep.
Bad deal all around, but Worley can't hold onto the ball there if he's handing it off to Hurd. That's in game coaching and planning that they will hopefully learn from.
 
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Brentwoodvolfan said:
So your saying because the QB, didn't pick up the blitz, and made a play that cost the game our OLC is to blame. Worley should of pick blitz up. If you go back and look at tape, he stared left the whole way. Go look at that play!!!
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I agree with this and that was more than 3 seconds too. He should have already released that ball.
 
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DD4ME said:
Imagine being Worley right now. If he gets pissed at his line they could flake even more but at the same time he needs them to step up.
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Our OL under Bajakian and Mahoney's guidance actually have hit rock bottom before:

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OL: Wait, we're supposed to actually try to block someone?

Lane: RIP bro

Peterman: Ow, my hand is broken but I'm not going to tell coach
 
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Additionally, that is seriously the biggest Big East move I've ever seen.

Supposed to draw an offsides, but didn't.

And it got our QB's hand broken.

Just F'n brilliant.
 
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#43
There's something wrong with UT's OL, first time I've read a thread about something we ALREADY KNOW!!! come'on guys, move on and have a little faith, did you really expect a brand new OL was going to go out there against the "teams" UT has played and what? dominate? go undefeated......I think everyone's problem is not the OL, it's with your complete unrealistic expectations of this team....fix that guy in the mirror before beating up on a bunch of 18-19 year old men that are putting it on the line every day.

GBO!!!
 
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OP, here's your problems at hand, one, we don't run a power offense. I know some of you struggle to accept that, but it's where college football is headed. I don't much care for it either, but I've come to accept it for what it is. Two, I question whether you have even watched us play. Have you seen Helm block lately? He's terrible at blocking, and he's missed as many blocks as a H-back as Thomas has as a T, huge stretch by the way but you get the point. If this isnt enough proof that a two TE set with our current roster won't be effective, I'll top it off with Downs being slower than the coming of Christmas, and Wolf has been beat up all year. Two TE set=epic fail. Three, Thomas isn't a T. He needs to be moved back to C. It's not just a physical thing either. There's a lot that goes into having a great o-line. For starters, you need a cerebral C who can call out new blocking assignments, and a QB who can change those blocking assignments if need be. I'm not convinced Crowder knows how to see blitz packages, which leaves it soley to Worley to read the defense every time. Unfourtantly, who are you going to replace Thomas with? Kendrick? Sanders? We are trying to build chemistry on our o-line right now; otherwise, we are going to be throwing a new o-line out there every week with little effect. If you want to see what chemistry does for an o-line go watch last years offense that produced over 2000 yards rushing with two average RBs, a new scheme that didn't fit them at all, and a QB situation that was terrible all year.
 
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NEOCON said:
North, Pearson, and Malone or a mixture of this is enough to win games f Worley has time.

No blind side sack and we still beat Florida and break the streak.

the blind side sack cost us the game.

And we had only scored 9 at the point.
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It wasn't the coaches fault that Worley fumbled deep in Florida territory. It wasn't the coaches fault that Worley took points of the board by throwing a duck off his back foot up for grabs and had it intercepted in the red zone.

Give the coAches a break.

There is no way we don't start winning with the talent we are bringing in.
 
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NEOCON said:
It took about 5 games.

The OLINE has clearly been a problem.

After losing a stud LT, the Line has been very poor this year and the QB has not had time to get the ball out. Everyone can see this.

On top of that the WR group is pretty young and inexperienced.

This was a statement written about the game:

"Not only has a shuffled offensive line failed to provide consistent protection, which causes hurried throws and physical pain, the lack of dependable targets has short-changed the quarterback, too."

But it looks like the OLINE coach has fixed this and went to a 2 TE Set.



And after a season of getting the QB scaked over and over again, the team finally went out and whipped the number one rated team in the league.

OH...you thought I was talking about the Vols, didn't you?

Hell no. Our OLINE coach is clueless..

I was talking about Bill Belichick.

He actually knows what he's doing.

Patriots bounce back by using two tight ends to rout Bengals
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You are one of the most negative and clueless posters....seems bill has had more than 2 years to build a team....Go Vols!!! Hate the pats...except Mr Mayo
 
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NEOCON said:
It took about 5 games.

The OLINE has clearly been a problem.

After losing a stud LT, the Line has been very poor this year and the QB has not had time to get the ball out. Everyone can see this.

On top of that the WR group is pretty young and inexperienced.

This was a statement written about the game:

"Not only has a shuffled offensive line failed to provide consistent protection, which causes hurried throws and physical pain, the lack of dependable targets has short-changed the quarterback, too."

But it looks like the OLINE coach has fixed this and went to a 2 TE Set.

And after a season of getting the QB scaked over and over again, the team finally went out and whipped the number one rated team in the league.

OH...you thought I was talking about the Vols, didn't you?

Hell no. Our OLINE coach is clueless..

I was talking about Bill Belichick.

He actually knows what he's doing.

Patriots bounce back by using two tight ends to rout Bengals
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That is like comparing Apples to Nuclear Fision!:crazy:
 
#48
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UrbanCryer said:
Please explain what 2 tightends that cant block is gonna do?
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Double team #5 maybe. Maybe gives Worley extra second. Maybe qb get snap and roll to strong side to get out of pocket. Throw it away or run for couple and slide if no one open. Somethin different
 
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Never knew the hoodie was the oline coach. Interesting that he would devote so much time to that position especially being a defensive guy
 
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