Official Global Warming thread (merged)

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#3,476
tumscalcium said:
They're changing because of us. If only congress can get together to institute a polarity-changing tax we could all rest easy at night. But no, of course not. All they care about is destroying our magnetic poles.
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Lol, I know this is sarcasm. The poles change naturally in time. Like they did in the ice age.
 
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#3,477
And here we have yet more environmentalist dreams of destroying our economy...

Coal industry dealt another setback as Oregon blocks export plan

The coal industry has been dealt another blow after a state agency in Oregon denied a key permit for a controversial terminal, marking the latest salvo in an escalating fight between coal exporters and fossil-fuel loathing environmentalists on the West Coast.

The Oregon Department of State Lands (DSL) denied Ambre the permit after concluding the project is “not consistent with the protection, conservation and best use of the state’s water resources, and that the applicant did not provide sufficient analysis of alternatives that would avoid construction of a new dock and impacts on tribal fisheries.”
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#3,480
China Plans a Market for Carbon Permits

China has pledged to reduce the amount of carbon it emits per unit of its gross domestic product to 40 to 45 percent below its 2005 levels by 2020.

It has already introduced seven regional pilot markets in a bid to gain experience ahead of a nationwide program.

“We will send over the national market regulations to the State Council for approval by the end of the year,” Sun Cuihua, a senior climate official with the National Development and Reform Commission, told a conference in Beijing on Sunday.

The national market will start in 2016, although some provinces would be allowed to start later if they lacked the technical infrastructure to participate from the outset, she said.

The Chinese market, when fully functional, would dwarf the European emissions trading system, which is now the world’s biggest.

It would be the main carbon trading hub in Asia and the Pacific, where Kazakhstan and New Zealand already operate similar markets. South Korea will start a national market on Jan. 1, 2015, while Indonesia, Thailand and Vietnam are drawing up plans for markets of their own.
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Ernest T. Vol said:
You can buy my carbon credits. I will throw in a low pressure air sample, a block stretcher and a sky hook. Al Gore cant beat my prices.
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Sheriff Andy Taylor: Now I'm warning you, if you throw one more rock...

Ernest T. Vol: I promise you Sheriff, I won't throw one more rock.

[Sheriff Taylor walks away]

Ernest T. Vol: . Didn't say nothin' 'bout no brick!
 
#3,489
#3,489
Predictably nonsensical but disappointingly boring responses. Your last line of defense has always been to blame China... Wah wah they won't act they'll outgrow us doom and gloom... Well guess what? This is the carbon pricing scheme China promised the day after Obama announced the new EPA regulations. Funny what a little leadership can do, eh? Now China and the US are adopting emissions trading schemes just like much of the rest of the world has. Just like Ronald Reagan and George Bush did for lead pollution, acid rain, and ozone depletion.

Y'all can pout all you want but the real world is moving forward without you.

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BartW said:
Predictably nonsensical but disappointingly boring responses. Your last line of defense has always been to blame China... Wah wah they won't act they'll outgrow us doom and gloom... Well guess what? This is the carbon pricing scheme China promised the day after Obama announced the new EPA regulations. Funny what a little leadership can do, eh? Now China and the US are adopting emissions trading schemes just like much of the rest of the world has. Just like Ronald Reagan and George Bush did for lead pollution, acid rain, and ozone depletion.

Y'all can pout all you want but the real world is moving forward without you.

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But it's ok to emit more if you pay more. Lol. Yes let's lead the way in finding ways to squeeze every penny out of everybody we can so we can waste it every way we can.
 
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BartW said:
Predictably nonsensical but disappointingly boring responses. Your last line of defense has always been to blame China... Wah wah they won't act they'll outgrow us doom and gloom... Well guess what? This is the carbon pricing scheme China promised the day after Obama announced the new EPA regulations. Funny what a little leadership can do, eh? Now China and the US are adopting emissions trading schemes just like much of the rest of the world has. Just like Ronald Reagan and George Bush did for lead pollution, acid rain, and ozone depletion.

Y'all can pout all you want but the real world is moving forward without you.

:wavey:
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Lol
 
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#3,495
BartW said:
Predictably nonsensical but disappointingly boring responses. Your last line of defense has always been to blame China... Wah wah they won't act they'll outgrow us doom and gloom... Well guess what? This is the carbon pricing scheme China promised the day after Obama announced the new EPA regulations. Funny what a little leadership can do, eh? Now China and the US are adopting emissions trading schemes just like much of the rest of the world has. Just like Ronald Reagan and George Bush did for lead pollution, acid rain, and ozone depletion.

Y'all can pout all you want but the real world is moving forward without you.

:wavey:
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Again Bart, if it's a free market solution then why do we need the government?
 
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Sandvol said:
I'm glad Newton and Einstein didn't dwell on scientific consensus too much.
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Galileo gambit
Sandvol said:
Again Bart, if it's a free market solution then why do we need the government?
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Again SandVol, how does your anarchist utopia handle pollution? It's like you people aspire to China's 20th century environmental policies...

And again, emissions trading is a free market solution because the gubment is not instructing businesses how to reduce emissions (a la the US's command and control regulation of the 70s), just how much needs to be reduced. Some businesses can cut emissions at a lesser cost than others and sell their excess permits on the open market. This ensures that the necessary reductions are made at the lowest total cost.

And again again, it's a brainchild of the Reagan administration. Stop acting like it's a communist plot.
 
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BartW said:
Galileo gambit

Again SandVol, how does your anarchist utopia handle pollution? It's like you people aspire to China's 20th century environmental policies...

And again, emissions trading is a free market solution because the gubment is not instructing businesses how to reduce emissions (a la the US's command and control regulation of the 70s), just how much needs to be reduced. Some businesses can cut emissions at a lesser cost than others and sell their excess permits on the open market. This ensures that the necessary reductions are made at the lowest total cost.

And again again, it's a brainchild of the Reagan administration. Stop acting like it's a communist plot.
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So it's a money grab?
 
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The science is settled. Maybe. Let's take look at some recent studies that aim to explain why projected increases in global average temperature have "paused" even as global greenhouse gas concentrations in the atmosphere have been going up siginficantly. It has generally been acknowledged that there has been an "hiatus' in warming that has lasted for the past 15 to 16 years so far. In August, Canadian statistician Ross McKitrick published a paper in the Open Journal of Statistics in which he lengthened the period of the pause:
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Do Researchers Really Know Why Global Warming Is On Pause and When It Will End? - Hit & Run : Reason.com
 
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govols/cc said:
So it's a money grab?
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BC's successful revenue-neutral carbon tax is living proof that it doesn't have to be. But if conservatives remove themselves from the real political debate by continuing to deny deny deny, well, chances are we'll end up with a less appealing solution. You reap what you sow.
 
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n_huffhines said:
Do Researchers Really Know Why Global Warming Is On Pause and When It Will End? - Hit & Run : Reason.com
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Classic Ross McKitrick

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It's only a "pause" if you look exclusively at the surface temperature record and cherry-pick 1998, a super El Nino year, as your starting point. You can cherry-pick several periods in the 20th century that show no warming but that does not contradict the long term warming trend. Recall the escalator plot? Furthermore, over 90% of global warming goes into the oceans, which show steadily increasing heat content.

Since you're the resident anarchist maybe you can help SandVol out with his question. How do you mitigate pollution without some government action?
 
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