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lawgator1 said:
That's true. And ordinarily I'd say that had this gentleman cooperated he'd have been let off with a warning or with a citation.

But if you watched and listened to the video, the guy goes on and on about the multiple other times he's been confronted over this.


"At the time of his death, the Port Richmond resident had three misdemeanor cases pending in Stapleton Criminal Court. He was free on $2,000 bail.


On Aug. 22 of last year, Garner was arrested on School Road and Bay Street, Fort Wadsworth, for allegedly driving without a license, according to a criminal complaint.


Garner, 43, gave cops a phony name and put himself in more hot water when officers allegedly found untaxed cigarettes and a small amount of marijuana in the 1998 Lincoln Navigator he was driving, the complaint said.


He was charged with aggravated unlicensed vehicle operation, false personation, possession or sale of untaxed cigarettes and marijuana possession, according to information from District Attorney Daniel Donovan's office.


Seven months later, while out on $1,000 bail, Garner was busted on March 28 for allegedly selling unstamped cigarettes on the street outside of 200 Bay St., Tompkinsville. He had 24 packs of untaxed smokes in his possession, police said.


The location is next door to 202 Bay St., where the fatal confrontation occurred Thursday between cops and Garner.


Garner was charged with a misdemeanor count of violating the cigarette and tobacco products tax and posted $1,000 bail, online state court records show.
Garner was arrested again on May 7 on Victory Boulevard and St. Marks Place, Tompkinsville. The site is across the block from Bay Street.


Cops accused him of possessing six packs of untaxed cigarettes.


Garner last appeared in court to answer the three cases on July 2. The matters were all adjourned then to Oct. 7, online state court records show."




Misdemeanor cases over alleged untaxed cigarettes preceded fatal police incident with Eric Garner | SILive.com


Now if you watch that video, he is adamant he did nothing wrong. He just broke up a fight -- next to the places he had previously been arrested for doing this? Ok, possible. Not likely. And he has lied before.
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Certainly worthy of the death penalty.
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utvolpj said:
Substantial record? Good grief
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I was referring to record for doing exactly what the police thought he did here; and combined with his apparently habitual practice of evading compliance, whether it be giving a false name, or, as in this particular incident by physically resisting arrest.
 
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lawgator1 said:
I was referring to record for doing exactly what the police thought he did here; and combined with his apparently habitual practice of evading compliance, whether it be giving a false name, or, as in this particular incident by physically resisting arrest.
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Death penalty Imo. Completely justified

All hail the popo
 
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Should have used karate as they bruise on the inside.
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A citation likely doesn't raise as much revenue as an arrest. Plus it would take away all the bragging he would get with a takedown in front of his buddies
 
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Pepe_Silvia said:
So what we have here is a guy that was summarily executed by the State for selling some untaxed cigs.

I love the land of the free.
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Warning: We have achieved maximum spin any attempts to spin the story anymore will have disastrous results.

The dude shouldn't have been selling untaxed cigarettes. For one that's always been one of the earners of organized crime in New York, for another he's already been charged for multiple counts of that before in the same spot. If anything him doing that was grounds for an immediate revocation of bond and should have resulted in him being remanded into custody pending the disposition of the misdemeanor charges.

The police officer shouldn't have used the "choke hold", although it's my opinion that it wasn't really a choke. If it was, then the dude wouldn't have been able to say "I can't breathe." The cause of death appears to have been due to a bad heart or stress, which would probably not have been fatal had he not weighed 350 pounds.

There definitely was enough probable cause to warrant a custodial interrogation if not a flat out arrest, and he had no right to resist or evade that arrest. It's terrible that he died, but to try to spin it like the police officers forced him to his knees and put two in the back of his head is dishonest and false.
 
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BookVol said:
Warning: We have achieved maximum spin any attempts to spin the story anymore will have disastrous results.

The dude shouldn't have been selling untaxed cigarettes. For one that's always been one of the earners of organized crime in New York, for another he's already been charged for multiple counts of that before in the same spot. If anything him doing that was grounds for an immediate revocation of bond and should have resulted in him being remanded into custody pending the disposition of the misdemeanor charges.

The police officer shouldn't have used the "choke hold", although it's my opinion that it wasn't really a choke. If it was, then the dude wouldn't have been able to say "I can't breathe." The cause of death appears to have been due to a bad heart or stress, which would probably not have been fatal had he not weighed 350 pounds.

There definitely was enough probable cause to warrant a custodial interrogation if not a flat out arrest, and he had no right to resist or evade that arrest. It's terrible that he died, but to try to spin it like the police officers forced him to his knees and put two in the back of his head is dishonest and false.
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We can't have the state not making money on ridiculous laws.... Nope. Gotta execute the guy for a victimless crime.

The real criminals are the ones in city hall who make the Avenue for said "organized crime" through freaking cigs
 
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BookVol said:
Warning: We have achieved maximum spin any attempts to spin the story anymore will have disastrous results.

The dude shouldn't have been selling untaxed cigarettes. For one that's always been one of the earners of organized crime in New York, for another he's already been charged for multiple counts of that before in the same spot. If anything him doing that was grounds for an immediate revocation of bond and should have resulted in him being remanded into custody pending the disposition of the misdemeanor charges.

The police officer shouldn't have used the "choke hold", although it's my opinion that it wasn't really a choke. If it was, then the dude wouldn't have been able to say "I can't breathe." The cause of death appears to have been due to a bad heart or stress, which would probably not have been fatal had he not weighed 350 pounds.

There definitely was enough probable cause to warrant a custodial interrogation if not a flat out arrest, and he had no right to resist or evade that arrest. It's terrible that he died, but to try to spin it like the police officers forced him to his knees and put two in the back of his head is dishonest and false.
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Why act like selling untaxed cigs is such a heinous crime?

I don't think calling them untaxed is accurate anyway, since somebody probably paid taxes on them somewhere. But God forbid the city of New York miss out on those tax dollars.
 
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Pepe_Silvia said:
Why act like selling untaxed cigs is such a heinous crime?

I don't think calling them untaxed is accurate anyway, since somebody probably paid taxes on them somewhere. But God forbid the city of New York miss out on those tax dollars.
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Pretty much this. Heaven forbid the guy make some profit on the cigs he bought. Better execute him.
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And like I said before, saying that kind of thing is dishonest, polarizing, and nuance raping.
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Look at my posts in this thread. I defend the boys in blue most times

How is this not executing a guy for selling some cigs? It's exactly what it is. The officer needs to be tried for murder. The man didn't do anything to deserve being executed.
 
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Laws are passed to protect the incoming revenue and many of the police are there to make sure it is collected. Protect and serve has a whole different meaning in our current climate
 
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BookVol said:
Warning: We have achieved maximum spin any attempts to spin the story anymore will have disastrous results.

The dude shouldn't have been selling untaxed cigarettes. For one that's always been one of the earners of organized crime in New York, for another he's already been charged for multiple counts of that before in the same spot. If anything him doing that was grounds for an immediate revocation of bond and should have resulted in him being remanded into custody pending the disposition of the misdemeanor charges.

The police officer shouldn't have used the "choke hold", although it's my opinion that it wasn't really a choke. If it was, then the dude wouldn't have been able to say "I can't breathe." The cause of death appears to have been due to a bad heart or stress, which would probably not have been fatal had he not weighed 350 pounds.

There definitely was enough probable cause to warrant a custodial interrogation if not a flat out arrest, and he had no right to resist or evade that arrest. It's terrible that he died, but to try to spin it like the police officers forced him to his knees and put two in the back of his head is dishonest and false.
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Spot on correct with the exception with the claim that it was not a choke hold, and I say that only because of NYPD's definition that it is any restraint that interferes with ability to breathe.
 
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lawgator1 said:
We must have watched different videos. I read his words and his actions to be that he was simply not going to cooperate, at all.
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But lack of cooperation isn't threatening unless you're a power-hungry authoritarian and can't emotionally handle disobedience.
 
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Over-Policing America - Reason.com

To a hammer, everything resembles a nail. Special Weapons and Tactics (SWAT) teams were once used only in emergencies such as riots or robberies where hostages were taken. But today there are more than 50,000 "no-knock raids" a year.
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SWAT raids are dangerous, and things often go wrong. People may shoot at the police if they mistake the cops for ordinary criminals and pick up guns to defend their homes against invasion. Sometimes cops kill the frightened homeowner who raises a gun.
Because America has so many confusing laws, and also because cops sometimes make mistakes, it's harder to assume—as conservatives often do—that as long as you behave yourself, you have nothing to fear. The raids should also trouble libertarians who sometimes believe that government can mostly be trusted when it sticks to "legitimate" functions like running police, courts, and the military.
Government always grows, and government is force. Force is always dangerous
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