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tim said:
And if I had seen this post I would generally agree, but not always. I have seen several ka warrants executed that I wished were nk's and the other way around. I've executed sw's by myself, hell I've even faxed them (showing my age here). This thought that all nk's need to be banned would not be a wise decision. Perhaps, the judges should have a standard guideline for allowing them.
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They do have their place, certainly, and I'm not disagreeing with that portion. When you have a known, dangerous suspect that will likely cause harm to the officers on scene or the potential for a hostage situation, a no knock is probably the wisest decision.

But what I was referring to was this case down in Georgia we discussed a few days ago. Now provided I don't have all the intel on the situation, but nothing jumped out in my mind as requiring a no knock with a tac team entry. And certainly didn't necessitate the use of a distraction device. I could be entirely wrong, but since the GBI is investigating the incident, I would imagine it raised some eyebrows with those in authority positions. And either it's getting reported more or happening more frequently because there does seem to be a trend in no knocks lately.

Forgive my ignorance, but what are SWs? And a fax doesn't show your age. If you had said you printed it up on a dot matrix printer and had to remove the tabs on the side of the pages before faxing, that would show your age lol
 
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tim said:
And if I had seen this post I would generally agree, but not always. I have seen several ka warrants executed that I wished were nk's and the other way around. I've executed sw's by myself, hell I've even faxed them (showing my age here). This thought that all nk's need to be banned would not be a wise decision. Perhaps, the judges should have a extremely limited and draconian standard guideline for allowing them.
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With the above additions I think most people would feel much better.
 
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Grand Vol said:
They do have their place, certainly, and I'm not disagreeing with that portion. When you have a known, dangerous suspect that will likely cause harm to the officers on scene or the potential for a hostage situation, a no knock is probably the wisest decision.

But what I was referring to was this case down in Georgia we discussed a few days ago. Now provided I don't have all the intel on the situation, but nothing jumped out in my mind as requiring a no knock with a tac team entry. And certainly didn't necessitate the use of a distraction device. I could be entirely wrong, but since the GBI is investigating the incident, I would imagine it raised some eyebrows with those in authority positions. And either it's getting reported more or happening more frequently because there does seem to be a trend in no knocks lately.

Forgive my ignorance, but what are SWs? And a fax doesn't show your age. If you had said you printed it up on a dot matrix printer and had to remove the tabs on the side of the pages before faxing, that would show your age lol
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Search warrants.
 
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Orange_Crush said:
So, wait a minute... You compare no-knock warrants to driving down the road, while not ascribing to simplification down to the lowest common denominator. That seems more than ironic.

Let me make this clear... You are not at liberty to shoot my dog, potentially shoot my kid, shoot me, kick my door in-- usually planned and implemented at night, and usually at bedtime-- then arrest me for shooting back in self defense, while simply driving down the street. And the dangers of this happening to the wrong family don't hinge on whether you just happen to turn one road too soon.
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Too much common sense right here...
 
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tim said:
Still a straw man knee jerk reaction and as I hava already stated I have personally never had a negative incident on a no knock. However, I do recognize the potential for something to go wrong, just like every time I drive down the road. I simply do not ascribe to drawing conclusions by simplifying something down to the lowest common denominator. If humans are involved there is a potential for mistakes. If I were to use a straw man argument in your profession I could argue that all truckers are meth using rednecks who haul drugs for cartels, wouldnt that be silly?
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Yes because the rednecks are getting out of the buisness, can't make enough money with the new HOS rules. Their foriegners now.
 
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Grand Vol said:
They do have their place, certainly, and I'm not disagreeing with that portion. When you have a known, dangerous suspect that will likely cause harm to the officers on scene or the potential for a hostage situation, a no knock is probably the wisest decision.

But what I was referring to was this case down in Georgia we discussed a few days ago. Now provided I don't have all the intel on the situation, but nothing jumped out in my mind as requiring a no knock with a tac team entry. And certainly didn't necessitate the use of a distraction device. I could be entirely wrong, but since the GBI is investigating the incident, I would imagine it raised some eyebrows with those in authority positions. And either it's getting reported more or happening more frequently because there does seem to be a trend in no knocks lately.

Forgive my ignorance, but what are SWs? And a fax doesn't show your age. If you had said you printed it up on a dot matrix printer and had to remove the tabs on the side of the pages before faxing, that would show your age lol
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Sometimes I feel like you me and Tim need to start our own cop thread. It'll be a great cop thread. I'll let Bender describe it.
 

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CNCVol88 said:
Sometimes I feel like you me and Tim need to start our own cop thread. It'll be a great cop thread. I'll let Bender describe it.
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I'm not sure that'll work. We'd be too confused on whether to write in the active or passive voice when talking to each other.
 
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Man charged for shooting when cops went to wrong house | WAVY-TV

Mobley admits Watson did not know police were in his backyard, but prosecutes him anyway for misdemeanor reckless handling of a fire arm.

“You cannot fire indiscriminately through the window,” Mobley said.

And a judge agreed. Watson was found guilty. So he appealed the decision, and a second judge declared a mistrial. At that point, Watson chose to have a jury trial.

“This can’t be doing your job. You come in my backyard, try to open my door, open my window and flash red laser beams on my chest because you thought I was the burglar, and I thought you were the burglar,” Watson said.

The seven-person jury bought that, and found Brandon Watson not guilty, after deliberating only 47 minutes.

“The Commonwealth really didn’t have a case. It wasn’t reckless, so it didn’t’ take a lot of discussion,” said Danny Barnes, a juror and WAVY-TV 10 employee
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