'15 TN OT Drew Richmond (Former Ole Miss commit)

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sigchig said:
I'm gonna have to disagree with you on this one. 1st, not all wrestlers have to cut weight. In fact, most of the ones that are cutting weight are 160 and below. They won't be football players. Secondly, when I wrestled at 140 lbs, I never gained any weight but my strength almost doubled. Before I broke my back, I could bench 315 and squat 465. Thirdly, there isn't better conditioning than wrestling. I played both(Obviously not playing football a lot at 140 lbs) and I used football to stay in relative shape for wrestling season. The difference in wrestling shape and football shape is vast.
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Is the largest weight class now 275?
 
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volamite86 said:
You couldn't be more wrong. I coach wrestling and this is the biggest myth I hear every year. Ok, you don't want to cut down to a weight class? Bulk up and wrestle a higher weight class. Jashon Robertson from last years class was one of the best wrestlers in the state.

The thing is you can go down a weight class OR up a weight class. It actually teaches linemen how to keep there arms extended to keep from giving up leverage.
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What weight class would Richmond wrestle in?
 
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Vol8188 said:
Is the largest weight class now 275?
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Depends on where you're wrestling. Some states are up to 285 for high school or even 300 for AAU. Before 1988 it was unlimited. When I graduated from HS in 99 275 was the limit.
 
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sigchig said:
Depends on where you're wrestling. Some states are up to 285 for high school or even 300 for AAU. Before 1988 it was unlimited. When I graduated from HS in 99 275 was the limit.
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He's in TN. So the limit is 275 correct?

There is no way you can honestly believe that Richmond would be better served by dropping 45 lbs so he could wrestle. That's a lot of muscle mass he will lose.
 
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Vol8188 said:
What weight class would Richmond wrestle in?
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He wouldn't for his HS at his size. However, that does not mean he couldn't practice with them. You can learn a lot about using your body as leverage and vastly improve your attack and counter. You learn how to use angles against people and get them off-balance. Many good things for a lineman to learn from wrestling.
 
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Also, I never said he should drop anything and wrestle competitively. I challenged your assertion that wrestling is not good for any football player. Which is wrong.
 
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Vol8188 said:
What weight class would Richmond wrestle in?
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281 and up. Normal heavyweights start at 220 in TN and go to 280. It's weird how they organize it with the heavyweights. Just really a really broad weight class. It just seems that when someone, like a football player, who weighs in at 195 wants to wrestle, everybody goes nuts and screams "he'll lose too much weight and be too weak for football". Well that's not the case at all. He'll wrestle in the 195 weight class.

I mean, I know it's just people's ignorance of the sport. Majority of people I talk to lump it and UFC training together. Two totally different animals.
 
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sigchig said:
He wouldn't for his HS at his size. However, that does not mean he couldn't practice with them. You can learn a lot about using your body as leverage and vastly improve your attack and counter. You learn how to use angles against people and get them off-balance. Many good things for a lineman to learn from wrestling.
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He could wrestle. He would just have a lot of forfeit wins. Not a lot of 280+ guys wrestle. We always tell our freshmen, especially those just starting out, to watch the 220 and up guys wrestle. They do normal techniques, just much, much slower so it gives them good examples to go by.
 
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Stephen Neal never played football in college and had a great career with the Patriots. Last man to defeat Brock Lesnar in college if I remember correctly. He wrestled internationally for a little while then decided to try football. Hell of an O-lineman in the NFL. Obviously, everyone who wrestles doesn't have his pedigree, but just one example of how a dominating wrestler can transfer skills onto the football field.
 
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volamite86 said:
He could wrestle. He would just have a lot of forfeit wins. Not a lot of 280+ guys wrestle. We always tell our freshmen, especially those just starting out, to watch the 220 and up guys wrestle. They do normal techniques, just much, much slower so it gives them good examples to go by.
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He couldn't wrestle for his HS team because he weighs at least 320, TN has a 275 lb limit for Heavyweight. Or did they introduce a no limit weight I'm not aware of?
 
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sigchig said:
He couldn't wrestle for his HS team because he weighs at least 320, TN has a 275 lb limit for Heavyweight. Or did they introduce a no limit weight I'm not aware of?
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There's a 285 and up weight class. The weight class below includes guys from 220 and up. It gets kind of crazy to watch sometimes.
 
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volamite86 said:
There's a 285 and up weight class. The weight class below includes guys from 220 and up. It gets kind of crazy to watch sometimes.
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Dude, I'm gonna have to call BS on this. There may be some leagues where that may go, but in HS and collegiate wrestling, you don't go above 285 in this state. It isn't 285 and up, the limit is 285. That is all. If you can prove to me otherwise, link it up. :hi:
 
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sigchig said:
Dude, I'm gonna have to call BS on this. There may be some leagues where that may go, but in HS and collegiate wrestling, you don't go above 285 in this state. It isn't 285 and up, the limit is 285. That is all. If you can prove to me otherwise, link it up. :hi:
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Bruno Reagan wrestled in the 285 and weighed 301.
 
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Alex Mack was an All-American in wrestling while he went to cal. Wrestling does nothing but makes you a better football player. You can still gain muscle while you lose weight. It's called cutting fat. The best of workouts like P90x do that.

Richmond would be more dominate if he wrestled. He'd be quicker with the bad weight off, and he'd get stronger. He'd also learn leverage and discipline.
 
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You also have to take into account that a lot of football players who are encouraged to wrestle only practice with the wrestling team. They don't actually compete, therefore don't have to drop any weight. But they get to learn all the leverage techniques that make wrestling advantageous for football players.
 
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B-sideVol18 said:
You also have to take into account that a lot of football players who are encouraged to wrestle only practice with the wrestling team. They don't actually compete, therefore don't have to drop any weight. But they get to learn all the leverage techniques that make wrestling advantageous for football players.
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Not at my old high school. Everybody got to wrestle. Why practice it if you're never going to do it?
 
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volamite86 said:
So you're telling me he was able to cut 15 pounds in the two weeks he had after football. C'mon man. I deal with the sport daily. The dudes that wrestle 285 are well over it.
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I've seen people cut 15 lbs in a day! I'm not saying it's healthy to do so, but it is more than possible. You can spit 5 lbs off in a couple of hours dude. Seriously though, if they wrestle for an official HS team, they can't weigh more than 285. You can weigh between 221 and 285 but not above. Show me how it's possible to get around a weight class and I may believe you. I've researched and found nothing to back up what you are saying and wrestling hasn't been changed that much since I did it.
 
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sigchig said:
I've seen people cut 15 lbs in a day! I'm not saying it's healthy to do so, but it is more than possible. You can spit 5 lbs off in a couple of hours dude. Seriously though, if they wrestle for an official HS team, they can't weigh more than 285. You can weigh between 221 and 285 but not above. Show me how it's possible to get around a weight class and I may believe you. I've researched and found nothing to back up what you are saying and wrestling hasn't been changed that much since I did it.
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This!
 
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