'15 TX QB Quinten Dormady (UT Commit 6/9/14)

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Tux said:
A lot of denial taking place in here.
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The SR will be the starter IMO. With all the young talent on the team, IMO having a SR leader could be a valuable thing. It's Worley's job IMO unless he gets injured. I could see the staff getting Dobbs some reps in certain situations though.
 
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Tux said:
Scientifically speaking, the hardest thing to do athletically is to hit a major league fastball. Let's see you try to hit a major league fastball, steal a base, or make a throw to the plate.

I have read some bravo sierra before, but your rendition takes the biggest and stinkiest cow pile.

Quinten Dormady is a quarterback. He is very athletic and very coordinated. He throws a good ball with a lot of velocity and is charged with making good decisions in delivering the football either by handing the ball off or throwing the football. He has done it his entire football life and is a very good fit for the UT football zone read offense. We do not run the read option. It is the zone read.
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If you go back and read my posts you would see I love the commitment and pickup- never been negative about any of the prospects though whatever is going on with TG is starting to worry me. (high school rumors and all that jazz) The main point of my argument was over the use of athleticism being used because he played baseball.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/athletic+?s=t[/URL]http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/athletic+?s=t

The first and third definitions are what I have always based my usage of the word on. In case the link doesnt work:
ath·let·ic [ath-let-ik] Show IPA
adjective
1.
physically active and strong; good at athletics or sports: an athletic child.
2.
of, like, or befitting an athlete.
3.
of or pertaining to athletes; involving the use of physical skills or capabilities, as strength, agility, or stamina: athletic sports; athletic training.
4.
for athletics: an athletic field.
5.
Psychology . (of a physical type) having a sturdy build or well-proportioned body structure. Compare asthenic ( def 2 ) , pyknic ( def 1 ) .

- from dictionary.com

Yes hitting a baseball is very effing difficult. So while I am no pro- and never said I was- I have played against high school talent- way better than me at baseball. But explain to me how hitting a ball makes him faster, stronger, have more agility or any of the things that go into being an 'athlete', which I think he is a good athlete(way more athletic than I am). The point I was making is that a generic baseball player isnt going to be able to switch over and run wind sprints, make sharp cuts or be strong from baseball training. And yes while I played soccer it was because at his age i was maybe 5'-4" 110 lbs. The most exciting thing that happens in baseball is a homerun/grand slam in which the 'athlete' has earned the ability to trot around the diamond in straight lines. Not exactly setting him up to tear up SEC defenses. Again because you have forgotten already I love that we got Dormady and I think he will have a great career in this system. Now to relatively not clutter up the thread I will not continue a 'which sport is greater debate'- because none are, different strokes for different lazy folks. And if you want to trade which is more difficult I will throw out there a goalie defending a penalty kick is also incredibly difficult, why? because the speed of the ball and distance are too great/too little for the human mind to process the information before the action is over. so the goalie has to go off instinct and quick twitch to block a ball his mind hasn't even registered yet.

All in good fun, go vols, go Dormady! :loco:
 
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Tux said:
It is not going to happen unless Worley is injured. There was a huge divide between Worley and the other QBs left on the roster.
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A Junior, and 3 freshmen... Good call.

Dobbs may not win it this year, but he is certainly improving
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
Almost only counts in horseshoes and hand grenades. We won. He played badly but without his 2 TD's we lose by 7.
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With a good QB, the game would of been over 20 points, unless you think Joey Jones is that good of a coach. I'd take more Matt Simms over another year of turdley. Dobbs will overtake him before the year begins. He had a higher completion percentage than Worley last year.
 
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Burger said:
With a good QB, the game would of been over 20 points, unless you think Joey Jones is that good of a coach. I'd take more Matt Simms over another year of turdley. Dobbs will overtake him before the year begins. He had a higher completion percentage than Worley last year.
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Agree with the first sentence but at least some of the blame goes on the WRs. Don't agree at all with the second sentence, Worley will be much better this year, not ALL-SEC or anything but much better, again because the WRs will be better too. And I just looked up the numbers and you are correct but in almost every other category Worley was better while everybody on the team was learning the new system. When Dobbs stepped in the team had had more time to get used to the system so where Dobbs started was a better place team wise than where Worley started. Everytime someone says its all the QBs fault I have to say what about the WR running wrong routes, dropping passes or TEs falling down. It most cases it is impossible for the average fan to tell where the play went wrong, we don't know the calls or the routes. Its a team game, the whole team wins the whole team loses, if one person on the team can't get it done someone else is supposed to step up, even if it is at another position.
 
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A lot of things contributed to Worley's mediocre play last year.

1. First and foremost, it starts with himself.

2. What weapons did he have? A VERY raw North, Pig, and then a bunch of freshman and sophomores who had never saw the field before. Not to mention, zero TE production. No safety valve= throw aways, sacks, or even forced throws/picks.

3. Brand spanking new system. On top of new personnel at the skill positions, he had to start over from ground zero. New terminology. New packages. New formations. New base sets. He would be in shotgun 98% of the time, so new coverage looks as well.

4. Experience. He had never been "the guy". Yeah he filled in when Bray got hurt and did a marginal job. But he had never QB'd against UF in the Swamp or played a UGA team for 4 quarters.

5. The one thing going his way? An OL that would give him pass protection for as long as his heart desired. Even that wasn't enough to overcome some of the offense's defincicies.

JMO.
 
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LouderVol said:
Agree with the first sentence but at least some of the blame goes on the WRs. Don't agree at all with the second sentence, Worley will be much better this year, not ALL-SEC or anything but much better, again because the WRs will be better too. And I just looked up the numbers and you are correct but in almost every other category Worley was better while everybody on the team was learning the new system. When Dobbs stepped in the team had had more time to get used to the system so where Dobbs started was a better place team wise than where Worley started. Everytime someone says its all the QBs fault I have to say what about the WR running wrong routes, dropping passes or TEs falling down. It most cases it is impossible for the average fan to tell where the play went wrong, we don't know the calls or the routes. Its a team game, the whole team wins the whole team loses, if one person on the team can't get it done someone else is supposed to step up, even if it is at another position.
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CP spent his whole Jr. season running the wrong route, but Bray adjusted to it and got it to him anyways. I'll give you the dropped passes. If he's running the route too deep, throw a harder pass. The QB should be able to see that.
 
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Burger said:
CP spent his whole Jr. season running the wrong route, but Bray adjusted to it and got it to him anyways. I'll give you the dropped passes. If he's running the route too deep, throw a harder pass. The QB should be able to see that.
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Bajakian (spelling) has said a number of times he wants his Qbs making predictive throws, throwing to the spot where the WR should be before the WR makes his final move. Basically Worley was taught to throw before it was apparent the WR ran the route wrong. And I love that you brought up CP because how many times did we see him short arm trying to catch a perfectly thrown pass and not make the completion, or allow the defender to make the play, what I am saying is even good WR/QB combos can mess it up. And I don't think Bray knew where some of the routes were too. I always felt he was just playing back yard ball and looking impressive doing it. And a go route/hail mary was half of Chaney's play book apparently. Which is a lot easier to throw than a lot of what we are seeing now. And yes Worley has no where near the talent that bray had and yet somehow he was able to beat a good team something Bray never did.
 
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LouderVol said:
Bajakian (spelling) has said a number of times he wants his Qbs making predictive throws, throwing to the spot where the WR should be before the WR makes his final move. Basically Worley was taught to throw before it was apparent the WR ran the route wrong. And I love that you brought up CP because how many times did we see him short arm trying to catch a perfectly thrown pass and not make the completion, or allow the defender to make the play, what I am saying is even good WR/QB combos can mess it up. And I don't think Bray knew where some of the routes were too. I always felt he was just playing back yard ball and looking impressive doing it. And a go route/hail mary was half of Chaney's play book apparently. Which is a lot easier to throw than a lot of what we are seeing now. And yes Worley has no where near the talent that bray had and yet somehow he was able to beat a good team something Bray never did.
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There were plenty of throws where the WR had made his final move long before Worley threw it in the dirt. I'm not quite as anti Worley as Burger, but he's got A LOT to prove the first couple games or I think he loses the job.

And Worley didn't beat USC, our defense and a miracle catch by North on a horrific throw by Worley won the game. I hate how people assign wins and losses to QBs like they're always the determining factor.

Just like Bray didn't lose most of our games, our defense did.
 
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Tennessee beats Vandy and goes bowling if Worley is healthy. Dobbs looked as lost as any freshman that I have ever seen play.
 
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Tux said:
Tennessee beats Vandy and goes bowling if Worley is healthy. Dobbs looked as lost as any freshman that I have ever seen play.
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I doubt it. We couldnt push the ball one yard when we needed to. Worley would of kept throwing them short like he did almost every game before that. Losing North was way worse than losing Worley.
 
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Burger, Dobbs almost won the game single handedly for Vandy. He sucked royally that game.

Worley and Ferguson were head and shoulders better than Dobbs and Peterman in the spring. Dobbs had a big game against the 2nd and 3rd team defense who were playing a vanilla defense. Few of the guys that he and Malone burned will be in the 2 deep this season.

Worley will start unless he is injured.
 
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Tux said:
Burger, Dobbs almost won the game single handedly for Vandy. He sucked royally that game.

Worley and Ferguson were head and shoulders better than Dobbs and Peterman in the spring. Dobbs had a big game against the 2nd and 3rd team defense who were playing a vanilla defense. Few of the guys that he and Malone burned will be in the 2 deep this season.

Worley will start unless he is injured.
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I agree that we probably beat Vandy last year with Worley. Worley improved from early in the year to the UGA and USC games. We would have been able to pass more.

I do think Dobbs has improved, and I could see a scenario where he plays over Worley this year. JMO.
 
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Tux said:
Burger, Dobbs almost won the game single handedly for Vandy. He sucked royally that game.

Worley and Ferguson were head and shoulders better than Dobbs and Peterman in the spring. Dobbs had a big game against the 2nd and 3rd team defense who were playing a vanilla defense. Few of the guys that he and Malone burned will be in the 2 deep this season.

Worley will start unless he is injured.
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100% agree on this.
 
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jave36 said:
There were plenty of throws where the WR had made his final move long before Worley threw it in the dirt. I'm not quite as anti Worley as Burger, but he's got A LOT to prove the first couple games or I think he loses the job.

And Worley didn't beat USC, our defense and a miracle catch by North on a horrific throw by Worley won the game. I hate how people assign wins and losses to QBs like they're always the determining factor.

Just like Bray didn't lose most of our games, our defense did.
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I am not saying Worley has got the starting job locked up but I believe he will start the year and look a lot better than he did last year, because yes he was not even a decent quarter back last year.

I pretty much agree with your second paragraph completely, but there were several other nice plays made by Worley. we won off of Palardy's leg and because of a freaking amazing catch, but Worley got us into position to win the game. I will compare this to winning games, it doesn't matter if it was by 1 point or 100 points a win is a win and a loss a loss. It doesn't matter if the ball was thrown terribly while Worley was getting tackled (an often forgotten part of this) or that the SC db was draped on North holding one arm down, what matters is that it was a catch. It went down in the stats book as a completion by Worley. And yes I believe the D won us that game.
 
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Tux said:
Burger, Dobbs almost won the game single handedly for Vandy. He sucked royally that game.

Worley and Ferguson were head and shoulders better than Dobbs and Peterman in the spring. Dobbs had a big game against the 2nd and 3rd team defense who were playing a vanilla defense. Few of the guys that he and Malone burned will be in the 2 deep this season.

Worley will start unless he is injured.
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Yeah that block in the back by Dobbs while pig ran it in for a TD late in the game really sealed the deal for Vandy..... wait a minute....(not hating on pig just saying)
 
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Tux said:
Burger, Dobbs almost won the game single handedly for Vandy. He sucked royally that game.

Worley and Ferguson were head and shoulders better than Dobbs and Peterman in the spring. Dobbs had a big game against the 2nd and 3rd team defense who were playing a vanilla defense. Few of the guys that he and Malone burned will be in the 2 deep this season.

Worley will start unless he is injured.
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Worley, sure. Ferguson? No.
 
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