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[tumscalcium]

Neil deGrasse Tyson Explains How Republicans Blew It on Climate Change



NDT tellin it like it is

more ideologically desirable solution, like a carbon tax

Once again, just tax people more and everything will be just fine.

Pathetic.

 

[Gannon Goodson]

Neil deGrasse Tyson Explains How Republicans Blew It on Climate Change



NDT tellin it like it is

The courts will shoot down the EPA. You can't regulate carbon dioxide under the Clean Air Act. CO2 is not a pollutant.

 

[Sandvol]

Funny you mention “the honorable Dr. Roy Spencer” again. He made news writing another fabulous op-ed in the WSJ last week attempting to downplay the consensus. Roy’s co-author was tobacco shill Joe Bast: co-founder, president, and CEO of the Heartland Institute (the [un]thinktank that ran that infamous billboard campaign).

Roy “global warming Nazis” Spencer fits right in with Bast, Monckton, Singer, Watts, and the rest of the clowns over at Heartland. Maybe if you practice your rhetoric enough they’ll pay you too.

Gosh Bart you've got a point. This guy really seems like a clown:

Jay Lehr, Ph.D. (jlehr@heartland.org) is science director at The Heartland Institute, an independent nonprofit organization based in Chicago. He is an internationally renowned speaker, scientist, and author who has testified before Congress on dozens of occasions on environmental issues, and consulted with nearly every agency of the federal government, as well as many foreign countries.

Dr. Lehr is a leading authority on groundwater hydrology. After graduating from Princeton University at the age of 20 with a degree in Geological Engineering, he went on to receive the nation’s first Ph.D. in Groundwater Hydrology from the University of Arizona. He later became executive director of the National Association of Groundwater Scientists and Engineers.

Dr. Lehr is the author of more than 1,000 magazine and journal articles and 30 books. He is editor of Rational Readings on Environmental Concerns, McGraw-Hill’s Handbook on Environmental Science, Health and Technology (2000); Wiley’s Remediation Technologies Handbook (2004); the Environmental Instrumentation and Analysis Handbook (2005), the six-volume Water Encyclopedia (Wiley Interscience, 2005); and Wiley Interscience's Nuclear Energy Encyclopedia: Science, Technology, and Applications (2011).

Dr. Lehr has spoken in front of thousands of audiences on topics ranging from global warming and biotechnology, to business management and health and physical fitness. He invariably receives the highest scores for entertaining and energizing even the largest audiences.

He was featured in Parachute Magazine in March 2010 for setting a new world record for having jumped from an airplane each and every month for 32 years.

Why don't you post Cook's resume?

 

[KentheOrange]

Funny you mention “the honorable Dr. Roy Spencer” again. He made news writing another fabulous op-ed in the WSJ last week attempting to downplay the consensus. Roy’s co-author was tobacco shill Joe Bast: co-founder, president, and CEO of the Heartland Institute (the [un]thinktank that ran that infamous billboard campaign).

Roy “global warming Nazis” Spencer fits right in with Bast, Monckton, Singer, Watts, and the rest of the clowns over at Heartland. Maybe if you practice your rhetoric enough they’ll pay you too.

What the hell does "sugar code it" mean?

 

[BartW]

Once again, just tax people more and everything will be just fine.

Pathetic.

Who said anything about more taxes? A carbon tax could replace the capital gains taxes, property tax, death tax, whatever tax your heart desires. Your allergic reaction to the mere mention of taxation is as irrational as libs’ fear of the word 'nuclear'.

The courts will shoot down the EPA. You can't regulate carbon dioxide under the Clean Air Act. CO2 is not a pollutant.

SCOTUS disagrees (see Massachusetts vs. EPA 2007)

Gosh Bart you've got a point. This guy really seems like a clown:

Jay Lehr…

Why don't you post Cook's resume?

What's your obsession with John Cook? It’s worse than yall’s hard-on for Al Gore.

My post was on Joe Bast, not Jay Lehr. But your attempted appeal to authority is most impressive…

What the hell does "sugar code it" mean?

Nobody corrects the King of Zings

 

[tumscalcium]

Who said anything about more taxes? A carbon tax could replace the capital gains taxes, property tax, death tax, whatever tax your heart desires. Your allergic reaction to the mere mention of taxation is as irrational as libs’ fear of the word 'nuclear'.

Blatant lie. Pols don't let taxes disappear. It would be an additional tax.

 

[BartW]

Blatant lie. Pols don't let taxes disappear. It would be an additional tax.

If Republicans continue denying the problem instead of constructively contributing to the solution it will be. That was NdT's point-- they're removing themselves from the legislative process. Republicans have only themselves to blame.

 

[KentheOrange]

You do realize that about the time you were born these same scientists that are now predicting global warming were then predicting global cooling and another mini ice age. What changed in 20 years to reverse these esteemed scientists findings on something that has been happening for millions of years? Funding! There was no money in global cooling but plenty of money for predicting global warming.

The data and the scientists have not changed, only their conclusions. That, my friend, is called BS science.

 

[Orangeslice13]

You do realize that about the time you were born these same scientists that are now predicting global warming were then predicting global cooling and another mini ice age. What changed in 20 years to reverse these esteemed scientists findings on something that has been happening for millions of years? Funding! There was no money in global cooling but plenty of money for predicting global warming.

The data and the scientists have not changed, only their conclusions. That, my friend, is called BS science.

*junk scientist.

 

[tumscalcium]

If Republicans continue denying the problem instead of constructively contributing to the solution it will be. That was NdT's point-- they're removing themselves from the legislative process. Republicans have only themselves to blame.

You're making it sound as if Dems are constructively, not destructively, contributing to some climate change solution. Throwing money at worthless solar businesses that produce nothing and wanting to tax people more to throw more money at worthless companies isn't helping anything.

 

[Sandvol]

If Republicans continue denying the problem instead of constructively contributing to the solution it will be. That was NdT's point-- they're removing themselves from the legislative process. Republicans have only themselves to blame.

The Imperial One issuing decree's isn't the legislative process.

 

[Sandvol]

SEATTLE — The heaviest polar ice in more than a decade could postpone the start of offshore oil drilling in the Arctic Ocean until the beginning of August, a delay of up to two weeks, Shell Alaska officials said.

Unveiling a newly refurbished ice-class rig that is poised to begin drilling two exploratory wells this summer in the Beaufort Sea, Shell executives said Friday that the unusually robust sea ice would further narrow what already is a tight window for operations. The company’s $4-billion program is designed to measure the extent of what could be the United States’ most important new inventory of oil and gas.

 

[508mikey]

Interesting read. We’ll need nuclear to at least help bridge the gap between fossil fuels and alternative energy. The stigma associated with the word ‘nuclear’ is ridiculous.

To your questions, the goal was to stabilize emissions at 1990 levels by the year 2000 (UNFCC) and reduce them by 5% by 2012 (Kyoto) with the ultimate aim of keeping atmospheric CO2 concentration below 450 ppm. Of course we’re nowhere close to stabilizing or even slowing emissions; they continue to accelerate. But that’s no reason to throw your arms up and say “F it, we’re boned.” There’s still plenty we can do to mitigate the damage and avoid the worst case scenarios. The longer we wait the more it'll cost us.

As for your “decimate the economy” comment, I’d take a look at the carbon tax link in your article. Cap-and-trade (a Republican idea) has proven effective in the past. Many countries already have some form of carbon pricing. The economic gloom and doom narrative is just good old fashioned scaremongering

 

[BartW]

You do realize that about the time you were born these same scientists that are now predicting global warming were then predicting global cooling and another mini ice age. What changed in 20 years to reverse these esteemed scientists findings on something that has been happening for millions of years? Funding! There was no money in global cooling but plenty of money for predicting global warming.

The data and the scientists have not changed, only their conclusions. That, my friend, is called BS science.

Sorry if you’re new to the thread, but this talking point is a worn-out PRATT.

*junk scientist.

*term popularized by Steve “the junkman” Milloy, another tobacco shill

You're making it sound as if Dems are constructively, not destructively, contributing to some climate change solution. Throwing money at worthless solar businesses that produce nothing and wanting to tax people more to throw more money at worthless companies isn't helping anything.

Deflection—I didn’t mention democrats. But they are doing much more to address the problem than Republicans, who nowadays must deny the problem even exists.

You could make a fair argument that the government shouldn’t be investing taxpayer money to begin with, but it’s very misleading to go on to portray green energy investments as a failure on the whole. Now you’ll bring up Solyndra or some other cherry-picked example, and then I remind you that DoE’s clean energy loan program had a >95% success rate which, you noted, is pretty damn good even for venture capitalists. Furthermore, DoE invests just as much money in fossil fuels and nuclear energy. Even if Fox's narrative was accurate it wouldn't let Republicans off the hook for their science denial.

The Imperial One issuing decree's isn't the legislative process.

The right has had plenty of opportunities to influence climate legislation.

SEATTLE — The heaviest polar ice in more than a decade could postpone the start of offshore oil drilling in the Arctic Ocean until the beginning of August, a delay of up to two weeks, Shell Alaska officials said.

Unveiling a newly refurbished ice-class rig that is poised to begin drilling two exploratory wells this summer in the Beaufort Sea, Shell executives said Friday that the unusually robust sea ice would further narrow what already is a tight window for operations. The company’s $4-billion program is designed to measure the extent of what could be the United States’ most important new inventory of oil and gas.

If you’d read the rest of the article, you’d know the heavy ice there is an effect of local weather and not climate. In fact this past month had the third lowest polar ice extent on record. This is another fine example of cherry-picking (the third characteristic of scientific denialism). Do you actually deny the precipitous decline in arctic sea ice?

 

[Sandvol]

Sorry if you’re new to the thread, but this talking point is a worn-out PRATT.

*term popularized by Steve “the junkman” Milloy, another tobacco shill

Deflection—I didn’t mention democrats. But they are doing much more to address the problem than Republicans, who nowadays must deny the problem even exists.

You could make a fair argument that the government shouldn’t be investing taxpayer money to begin with, but it’s very misleading to go on to portray green energy investments as a failure on the whole. Now you’ll bring up Solyndra or some other cherry-picked example, and then I remind you that DoE’s clean energy loan program had a >95% success rate which, you noted, is pretty damn good even for venture capitalists. Furthermore, DoE invests just as much money in fossil fuels and nuclear energy. Even if Fox's narrative was accurate it wouldn't let Republicans off the hook for their science denial.

The right has had plenty of opportunities to influence climate legislation.

If you’d read the rest of the article, you’d know the heavy ice there is an effect of local weather and not climate. In fact this past month had the third lowest polar ice extent on record. This is another fine example of cherry-picking (the third characteristic of scientific denialism). Do you actually deny the precipitous decline in arctic sea ice?

Precipitous? No. Yes there are natural cyclical fluctuations in sea ice. Also, early indicator of a trend change.

 

[BartW]

Precipitous? No.

Faster than IPCC projections

and even more dramatic when you consider the 3rd dimension
[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9OBCXWAHo5I[/youtube]

Yes there are natural cyclical fluctuations in sea ice. Also, early indicator of a trend change.

Trend change? You've gotta be kidding

 

[VolsNSkinsFan]

Antarctic Sea Ice Grows To New Record Extent | The Global Warming Policy Foundation (GWPF)

 

[Orangeslice13]

Antarctic Sea Ice Grows To New Record Extent | The Global Warming Policy Foundation (GWPF)

This is clearly tobacco company propaganda.

 

[govols/cc]

Yea but Bart says it's thinner.

 

[BigOrangeTrain]

This is clearly tobacco company propaganda.

It's also scientific denialism

 

[BigOrangeTrain]

Yea but Bart says it's thinner.

Well I am sure that Bart will come up with some BS as to how those graphs are incredible and incorrect.

 

[govols/cc]

Well I am sure that Bart will come up with some BS as to how those graphs are incredible and incorrect.

Thermal images show that ice, although larger, is warmer.

 

[BartW]

Sigh, another PRATT. The Arctic and Antarctica are not the same.

Is Antarctica losing or gaining ice?
Why is southern sea ice increasing?

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BZovcCxftAY[/youtube]

 

[govols/cc]

We filmed one area for 27 years from orbit?

 

[BartW]

We filmed one area for 27 years from orbit?