Gun control debate (merged)

#401
#401
lawgator1 said:
How you gun advocates just keep pretending like that is not a real consequence of your slavish adherence to gun rights is beyond all reason.
Click to expand...

It's always cute to see someone whose profession is helping uphold the law and civil rights talk about removing one of those civil rights.
 
  • Like
Reactions: 2 people
#403
#403
Grand Vol said:
It's always cute to see someone whose profession is helping uphold the law and civil rights talk about removing one of those civil rights.
Click to expand...

I believe he is a defense attorney for the City of Orlando.

This isn't him but I know it will tick him off :eek:lol:

orlando-lawyer-mark-nejame_full.jpeg
 
  • Like
Reactions: 1 person
#404
#404
lawgator1 said:
Yes, if you are an official enrolled member of a well regulated state militia, then your right to bear arms shall not be infringed.

Beyond that, its a matter of standard legislative policy making, and therefore subject to strict regulation.
Click to expand...

I'm going to continue posting this until you acknowledge the fact that it's the law of the land:

District of Columbia v. Heller - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

District of Columbia v. Heller, 554 U.S. 570 (2008), was a landmark case in which the Supreme Court of the United States held in a 5-4 decision that the Second Amendment to the United States Constitution applies to federal enclaves and protects an individual's right to possess a firearm for traditionally lawful purposes, such as self-defense within the home. The decision did not address the question of whether the Second Amendment extends beyond federal enclaves to the states, which was addressed later by McDonald v. Chicago (2010). It was the first Supreme Court case to decide whether the Second Amendment protects an individual right to keep and bear arms for self-defense
Click to expand...

ETA for verbiage
 
Last edited:
  • Like
Reactions: 2 people
#405
#405
lawgator1 said:
The second clause is dependent on the first.

The need for the bearing arms is to serve in a state militia. The reason for that was so that each state could maintain its independence from any sort of federal military tyranny.

So, to the extent that Arkansas is worried about the 82nd Airborne driving into town one night, hey, go have yourself a well regulated militia.

That does not in turn mean that Bubba can have himself a .38 in the glove box of his 1978 rusted out Pontiac.
Click to expand...

Go ahead and make fun of bubba from arkansas, even though he would be the first one to protect your ass from a beat down.
 
  • Like
Reactions: 2 people
#407
#407
Grand Vol said:
I'd love to see him and Alan Gura go at the gun control debate sometime.

I have this feeling it could be pure comedy.
Click to expand...

I could see it happening-- the debate that is. LG obviously never tires of driving the faildozer due to being on the wrong side of an issue.
 
  • Like
Reactions: 2 people
#408
#408
lawgator1 said:
The second clause is dependent on the first.

The need for the bearing arms is to serve in a state militia. The reason for that was so that each state could maintain its independence from any sort of federal military tyranny.

So, to the extent that Arkansas is worried about the 82nd Airborne driving into town one night, hey, go have yourself a well regulated militia.

That does not in turn mean that Bubba can have himself a .38 in the glove box of his 1978 rusted out Pontiac.
Click to expand...

Most of the guys in the 82nd are like Bubba..
 
  • Like
Reactions: 2 people
#411
#411
lawgator1 said:
Yes, if you are an official enrolled member of a well regulated state militia, then your right to bear arms shall not be infringed.

Beyond that, its a matter of standard legislative policy making, and therefore subject to strict regulation.
Click to expand...

So here is the solution then. Everyone is mandated to be enrolled in their local militia, the same way it was in colonial days. The only way out of the militia is through demonstrated performance issues, criminal acts, health or mental health issues that would prevent you from participating in training. All members are authorized to carry and own any and all weapons they are trained on. You want to put a Mk-19 on your Jetta--sure as long as you maintain your qualification, go ahead.

Therefore everyone is trained and control is at the local level. Problem is solved.
 
  • Like
Reactions: 1 person
#415
#415
Grand Vol said:
You might want to take a look at it before continuing on your moronic stance that the 2A only applies to militias.

Helpful suggestion being that it's the law of the land and all.

And some further reading:

McDonald v. Chicago - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Click to expand...

Pretty sure he's dodged Heller more than once, and that's just from you and I doing the citing. Him pleading ignorance is pretty disingenuous methinks.
 
  • Like
Reactions: 1 person
#416
#416
hndog609 said:
Pretty sure he's dodged Heller more than once, and that's just from you and I doing the citing. Him pleading ignorance is pretty disingenuous methinks.
Click to expand...

Oh, I know. It might spoil his outrage if he had to learn the truth.
 
#419
#419
The left like to parade around news stories about shootings, and play to the emotional responses, since they have little logic or constitutional ground to stand on. But I wonder how many lives could have been saved in the 20th century due to well armed populations that would not have been victims to tyrannical gov'ts.
________________________________________________________

Government Dates Targets Civilians Killed "Gun Control" Laws Features of Over-all "Gun Control" scheme

Ottoman Turkey 1915-1917 Armenians
(mostly Christians) 1-1.5 million Art. 166, Pen. Code, 1866
& 1911 Proclamation, 1915 • Permits required, Government list of owners, Ban on possession


Soviet Union 1929-1945 Political opponents;
farming communities 20 million Resolutions, 1918
Decree, July 12, 1920
Art. 59 & 182, Pen. code, 1926 •Licensing of owners, Ban on possession, Severe penalties


Nazi Germany
& Occupied Europe 1933-1945 Political opponents;
Jews; Gypsies;
critics; "examples" 20 million Law on Firearms & Ammun., 1928
Weapon Law, March 18, 1938
Regulations against Jews, 1938 •Registration & Licensing
•Stricter handgun laws
•Ban on possession


China, Nationalist 1927-1949 Political opponents;
army conscripts; others 10 million Art. 205, Crim. Code, 1914
Art. 186-87, Crim. Code, 1935 •Government permit system
•Ban on private ownership


China, Red 1949-1952
1957-1960
1966-1976 Political opponents;
Rural populations
Enemies of the state 20-35 million Act of Feb. 20, 1951
Act of Oct. 22, 1957 •Prison or death to "counter-revolutionary criminals" and anyone resisting any government program
•Death penalty for supply guns to such "criminals"


Guatemala 1960-1981 Mayans & other Indians;
political enemies 100,000-
200,000 Decree 36, Nov 25 •Act of 1932
Decree 386, 1947
Decree 283, 1964 •Register guns & owners •Licensing with high fees
•Prohibit carrying guns
•Bans on guns, sharp tools
•Confiscation powers


Uganda 1971-1979 Christians
Political enemies 300,000 Firearms Ordinance, 1955
Firearms Act, 1970 •Register all guns & owners •Licenses for transactions
•Warrantless searches •Confiscation powers


Cambodia
(Khmer Rouge) 1975-1979 Educated Persons;
Political enemies 2 million Art. 322-328, Penal Code
Royal Ordinance 55, 1938 •Licenses for guns, owners, ammunition & transactions
•Photo ID with fingerprints
•License inspected quarterly


Rwanda 1994 Tutsi people 800,000 Decree-Law No. 12, 1979 •Register guns, owners, ammunition •Owners must justify need •Concealable guns illegal •Confiscating powers
 
  • Like
Reactions: 1 person
#420
#420
Orange_Crush said:
The left like to parade around news stories about shootings, and play to the emotional responses, since they have little logic or constitutional ground to stand on. But I wonder how many lives could have been saved in the 20th century due to well armed populations that would not have been victims to tyrannical gov'ts.
________________________________________________________

Government Dates Targets Civilians Killed "Gun Control" Laws Features of Over-all "Gun Control" scheme

Ottoman Turkey 1915-1917 Armenians
(mostly Christians) 1-1.5 million Art. 166, Pen. Code, 1866
& 1911 Proclamation, 1915 • Permits required, Government list of owners, Ban on possession


Soviet Union 1929-1945 Political opponents;
farming communities 20 million Resolutions, 1918
Decree, July 12, 1920
Art. 59 & 182, Pen. code, 1926 •Licensing of owners, Ban on possession, Severe penalties


Nazi Germany
& Occupied Europe 1933-1945 Political opponents;
Jews; Gypsies;
critics; "examples" 20 million Law on Firearms & Ammun., 1928
Weapon Law, March 18, 1938
Regulations against Jews, 1938 •Registration & Licensing
•Stricter handgun laws
•Ban on possession


China, Nationalist 1927-1949 Political opponents;
army conscripts; others 10 million Art. 205, Crim. Code, 1914
Art. 186-87, Crim. Code, 1935 •Government permit system
•Ban on private ownership


China, Red 1949-1952
1957-1960
1966-1976 Political opponents;
Rural populations
Enemies of the state 20-35 million Act of Feb. 20, 1951
Act of Oct. 22, 1957 •Prison or death to "counter-revolutionary criminals" and anyone resisting any government program
•Death penalty for supply guns to such "criminals"


Guatemala 1960-1981 Mayans & other Indians;
political enemies 100,000-
200,000 Decree 36, Nov 25 •Act of 1932
Decree 386, 1947
Decree 283, 1964 •Register guns & owners •Licensing with high fees
•Prohibit carrying guns
•Bans on guns, sharp tools
•Confiscation powers


Uganda 1971-1979 Christians
Political enemies 300,000 Firearms Ordinance, 1955
Firearms Act, 1970 •Register all guns & owners •Licenses for transactions
•Warrantless searches •Confiscation powers


Cambodia
(Khmer Rouge) 1975-1979 Educated Persons;
Political enemies 2 million Art. 322-328, Penal Code
Royal Ordinance 55, 1938 •Licenses for guns, owners, ammunition & transactions
•Photo ID with fingerprints
•License inspected quarterly


Rwanda 1994 Tutsi people 800,000 Decree-Law No. 12, 1979 •Register guns, owners, ammunition •Owners must justify need •Concealable guns illegal •Confiscating powers
Click to expand...



You left out a few friend
 

Attachments

  • image.jpg
    image.jpg
    83.8 KB · Views: 0
#423
#423
lawgator1 said:
I haven't studied it or subsequent cases based on it.
Click to expand...

Make sure you put it on you to do list along with the transcripts for Obsessed. We will even understand if you want to take a few days off from posting to catch up on your backlog of work.
 
  • Like
Reactions: 2 people
New posts
You must log in or register to reply here.
Advertisement





Back
Top