2014 Georgia Forward Phil Cofer

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bleedingTNorange said:
Which "better" PG replaced Larry Austin?

And who's the "better" forward that's gonna replace Cofer?

I completely understand the situation, but no reason to make things up like "they'll be replaced with better players", that's far from a given.
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Making up what? Just heard Wes Rucker say on Friday that Tyndall's current class of 3 players is collectively rated higher than CCM's 4 on 24/7. Which player who was granted his release/decommitted from the class was better than Mostella or Jumper? Not quite up to speed on McGee so I'll refrain from "making up" anything on him.

I know you're a big CCM guy but come on BTO, Tyndall's class is already more impressive than the class Cuonzo had ready to come in. Furthermore, I heard Tyndall expects to bring in 3-4 additional players. If he does that with the caliber of player he's brought in thus far, he'll have a much better roster for 2014-15 than CCM would've had, hands down.
 
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We don't have a real PG now and have not had one recruited by CCM outside of Thompson who had not proved anything. That is a very large hole that has not been filled by last staff. Hope this staff can bring in one next year that will be a very good one. I am ok if it is a juco like Maze was. Just got to have good guard play at both spots.
 
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KBVol said:
Making up what? Just heard Wes Rucker say on Friday that Tyndall's current class of 3 players is collectively rated higher than CCM's 4 on 24/7. Which player who was granted his release/decommitted from the class was better than Mostella or Jumper? Not quite up to speed on McGee so I'll refrain from "making up" anything on him.

I know you're a big CCM guy but come on BTO, Tyndall's class is already more impressive than the class Cuonzo had ready to come in. Furthermore, I heard Tyndall expects to bring in 3-4 additional players. If he does that with the caliber of player he's brought in thus far, he'll have a much better roster for 2014-15 than CCM would've had, hands down.
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Hey man, take your facts somewhere else. Reality has no place here.
 
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JacketVol said:
We don't have a real PG now and have not had one recruited by CCM outside of Thompson who had not proved anything. That is a very large hole that has not been filled by last staff. Hope this staff can bring in one next year that will be a very good one. I am ok if it is a juco like Maze was. Just got to have good guard play at both spots.
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Agree. The thought of Thompson running the point was less than encouraging.
 
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KBVol said:
Making up what? Just heard Wes Rucker say on Friday that Tyndall's current class of 3 players is collectively rated higher than CCM's 4 on 24/7. Which player who was granted his release/decommitted from the class was better than Mostella or Jumper? Not quite up to speed on McGee so I'll refrain from "making up" anything on him.

I know you're a big CCM guy but come on BTO, Tyndall's class is already more impressive than the class Cuonzo had ready to come in. Furthermore, I heard Tyndall expects to bring in 3-4 additional players. If he does that with the caliber of player he's brought in thus far, he'll have a much better roster for 2014-15 than CCM would've had, hands down.
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Mostella from a rating standpoint is much better than anyone Martin had committed, but he's yet to replace a top 120 PG at all, and Cofer was also top 120 and we aren't recruiting anyone that high.

So while Mostella is a great get, not every player currently on the fold is better from a rankings standpoint than what Martin had.

I'm very interested to see how his 2nd class is, being able to fill this one with quality players is impressive though.
 
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JacketVol said:
We don't have a real PG now and have not had one recruited by CCM outside of Thompson who had not proved anything. That is a very large hole that has not been filled by last staff. Hope this staff can bring in one next year that will be a very good one. I am ok if it is a juco like Maze was. Just got to have good guard play at both spots.
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Larry Austin was the very definition of a true PG
 
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The optimism is there that we will get a few more solid prospects. However, I thought we had good chances at getting Cofer and Suarez. As it stands now, Mostella is still questionable to qualify and McGhee is raw. I don't think we have upgraded a whole lot, but that can change with a couple of more pickups. Add Owens and PG, and we are in better business. My big disappointment with CCM was his lack of PG recruiting. He finally seemed to get one, and we lose him. Tyndall will get one, but we may another year without a dynamic one.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
The thought of Brandon Lopez running it is any better?
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What did you see from Thompson last year to convince you he's the future? He seemed to take a step back as the season progressed. I remember faster pg's blowing past him. Yes, he's better than Lopez, but I can't imagine there isn't better options out there.
 
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vols 30 said:
What did you see from Thompson last year to convince you he's the future? He seemed to take a step back as the season progressed. I remember faster pg's blowing past him. Yes, he's better than Lopez, but I can't imagine there isn't better options out there.
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Put him in a different scheme and coach him up. If Tyndall truly runs a match up zone, Thompson's length is great for that. Sure, he is slower than what is ideal, but Tyndall will know how to use him. At this point, with no PG, it would be nice to have him.
 
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vols 30 said:
What did you see from Thompson last year to convince you he's the future? He seemed to take a step back as the season progressed. I remember faster pg's blowing past him. Yes, he's better than Lopez, but I can't imagine there isn't better options out there.
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The fact he averaged a 2.6:1 assist to turnover ratio was very impressive IMO, and that he averaged around 6 assists per 40 minutes was also a promising sign IMO as well.

Not claiming he was gonna be the greatest PG to play at Tennessee, but I would feel better about the PG position next year if he was here verse the current situation.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
The fact he averaged a 2.6:1 assist to turnover ratio was very impressive IMO, and that he averaged around 6 assists per 40 minutes was also a promising sign IMO as well.

Not claiming he was gonna be the greatest PG to play at Tennessee, but I would feel better about the PG position next year if he was here verse the current situation.
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Agree 100%. Losing him hurts. You saw flashes last year as a true freshman and his assist-turnover ratio was very good. I know it's very unlikely, but I'd love to see him come back.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
The fact he averaged a 2.6:1 assist to turnover ratio was very impressive IMO, and that he averaged around 6 assists per 40 minutes was also a promising sign IMO as well.

Not claiming he was gonna be the greatest PG to play at Tennessee, but I would feel better about the PG position next year if he was here verse the current situation.
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Chiles could fill the role, and I believe it would be an upgrade.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
Well....

Chiles averaged half the assists per game Thompson did while playing double the minutes Thompson did.

Chiles also had a 0.9:1 assist to turnover ratio compared to Thompson's 2.6:1.
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Maybe because Chiles was asked to score more for his team last year. 16 ppg is not too bad. You said yourself in the Chiles thread that he fits the role for UT.
 
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vols 30 said:
Maybe because Chiles was asked to score more for his team last year. 16 ppg is not too bad. You said yourself in the Chiles thread that he fits the role for UT.
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Yea he fits the role of PG because there's literally no other option. Ideally he's a backup 2, that can provide depth and a few minutes a game at the 1, we unfortunately don't have that luxury.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
Mostella from a rating standpoint is much better than anyone Martin had committed, but he's yet to replace a top 120 PG at all, and Cofer was also top 120 and we aren't recruiting anyone that high.

So while Mostella is a great get, not every player currently on the fold is better from a rankings standpoint than what Martin had.

I'm very interested to see how his 2nd class is, being able to fill this one with quality players is impressive though.
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If we get Owens, wouldn't you call that a push when it comes to Cofer? Everything I hear about Owens still developing(oddly enough from you) makes me think he might be better than a push, but I'd at least call it a push.

I agree that PG is a big concern. I'd still put CDT's current class ahead of CCM's class solely based on the time crunch. Mostella is quite the steal.
 
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Didn't see Mostella coming, sit back and wait, signing period is not over so we don't know what CDT will do until we are there.

The basketball forum sure is interesting these days. I think some just like to overly discuss. The pro - college debate in the hijacked Mostella thread is a joke.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
Yea he fits the role of PG because there's literally no other option. Ideally he's a backup 2, that can provide depth and a few minutes a game at the 1, we unfortunately don't have that luxury.
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I understand your point. I know I'm going to get blasted but I wouldn't have a problem with Chiles as the starting pg with Lopez getting a few minutes. DT should also land a top PG for next year if it played out this way.
 
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vols 30 said:
I understand your point. I know I'm going to get blasted but I wouldn't have a problem with Chiles as the starting pg with Lopez getting a few minutes. DT should also land a top PG for next year if it played out this way.
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I can't say I wouldn't have a problem with it (because that lack of depth should be concerning), but at this point, that literally looks like the best-case scenario.
 
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SpringBokVol said:
This surprised me. Oh well.

We have hit on some and missed some.
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Agree. It's why I think maybe the staff should've played a bit more hardball with the guys they really wanted to keep, like Cofer. You saw USM do it with Suarez and look what happens, when you release these kids so quick they've got all these schools in their ear plus you. If you don't release them you're keeping them shut off from the other schools and probably increasing your chances of keeping the kid.
 
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Weezer said:
If we get Owens, wouldn't you call that a push when it comes to Cofer? Everything I hear about Owens still developing(oddly enough from you) makes me think he might be better than a push, but I'd at least call it a push.

I agree that PG is a big concern. I'd still put CDT's current class ahead of CCM's class solely based on the time crunch. Mostella is quite the steal.
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From a ranking standpoint which is all any of us can go off of subjectively says Cofer is the better player. People can provide opinions that X player will be better, but you can say that about a lot of people.

As for Mostella, that one will be huge, but there's no guarantee he ever suits up for Tennessee. He committed to both okie state and Pitt but never played a game for either school. The chances look good, but I wouldn't ink him in yet, and if he doesn't get cleared then you can't really count him.
 
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vols 30 said:
I understand your point. I know I'm going to get blasted but I wouldn't have a problem with Chiles as the starting pg with Lopez getting a few minutes. DT should also land a top PG for next year if it played out this way.
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I wouldn't be thrilled about that scenario, but if that's what happens nothing we can do but hope for the best.

I do think Mostella would likely get the backup PG minutes in that scenario though.

As for next year, that becomes a concern too. You'll have no PG on the roster again, and relying on a true freshman could be scary unless it's a 5* stud like Kentucky gets, which can still be shaky. That's probably why you see a JUCO like Dequon Miller now being contacted, so we can bring in a JUCO and a freshman PG next year I would guess.
 
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