What's the timetable for success?

#76
#76
Now that we're definitely not getting Pearl back and the coaching search is over, how long are we supposed to give Tyndall before we start looking for his replacement? I assume that part of the reason for seeking someone who would accept a low buyout is so they are easily replaced but I also doubt the AD expects to need to exercise that option 1 or 2 seasons in. What's reasonable to expect from this guy in the opinion of the people who think it's a good - great hire?
Final Four, or one and done.
 
#77
#77
LOL!!! You were very outspoken to get rid of the last coach, but all of a sudden you've softened and are willing to give the current guy 3-4 years to make the NCAAT??? Do any of you negaZo's have any sense? Oh, and all of a sudden the roster is limited, but that wasn't the case when it didn't fit your argument.

I think he's blaming the last coach for the limited roster.
 
#78
#78
LOL!!! You were very outspoken to get rid of the last coach, but all of a sudden you've softened and are willing to give the current guy 3-4 years to make the NCAAT??? Do any of you negaZo's have any sense? Oh, and all of a sudden the roster is limited, but that wasn't the case when it didn't fit your argument.

My goodness, you're right!! This roster is in exactly the same shape it was at the beginning of last season.

Losing 2 All-SEC first teamers, Maymon and the starting PG makes no difference to the roster strength or outlook at all.

We probably should win 21 games and get to the sweet 16!!
 
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#79
#79
My goodness, you're right!! This roster is in exactly the same shape it was at the beginning of last season.

Losing 2 All-SEC first teamers, Maymon and the starting PG makes no difference to the roster strength or outlook at all.

We probably should win 21 games and get to the sweet 16!!

That is what everyone expected of Martin after losing the whole starting five and the two best incoming recruits.
 
#80
#80
That is what everyone expected of Martin after losing the whole starting five and the two best incoming recruits.

Not even close, no one was saying he should make the NCAAs before that season started. Most people seem to think Martin overachieved his first year, though he actually was about on par with his 18-14 regular season, won a few games he shouldn't have and lost some games that were nearly inexcusable.

But as I said, if somehow we land a mid-season 5 star PF, and two of our sophomores make second team All-SEC this year, I'll move up my schedule on expectations to a year 2 NCAA appearance.
 
#81
#81
Not even close, no one was saying he should make the NCAAs before that season started. Most people seem to think Martin overachieved his first year, though he actually was about on par with his 18-14 regular season, won a few games he shouldn't have and lost some games that were nearly inexcusable.

But as I said, if somehow we land a mid-season 5 star PF, and two of our sophomores make second team All-SEC this year, I'll move up my schedule on expectations to a year 2 NCAA appearance.

The first part is true. The second is not. The loudest posters have said he underachieved every year. Including the first. The rosters will be very similar. I just wonder if the vocal critics will keep the same standards.
 
#82
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The first part is true. The second is not. The loudest posters have said he underachieved every year. Including the first. The rosters will be very similar. I just wonder if the vocal critics will keep the same standards.

They weren't saying it, but the moment he didn't make it in year 1, this board was flooded with "Fire Cuonzo, he sucks, blah blah blah".
 
#83
#83
well, how do we define success?

I think 17-20 wins next season, would be consider successful. And a, potential, run in the NIT. I would expect the same or better in year two. And be in the big dance by year three. I would also add that I would love to see a team that plays with a "fire". I think the biggest thing against CCM was that his teams seemed to come out flat. that happened more often than not, think UTEP, the first Xavier game, both aTm games, NC state, etc...
 
#84
#84
Catch 22, if he does or doesn't.

Really think it is time that we hit the Reset Button.

If someone truly feels that If We don't go next year and it is a failure, then, maybe they should go.

Breaking News. Martin is not the coach here anymore, he chose to leave. He does not represent the Measuring stick for any Vol Coaches.
 
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#87
#87
Martin would have had a winning record in 2014-2015. 2015-2016 looked really good actuallty.

I don't think Martin was the long term answer. But I don't know that he wasn't.

Basically letting Martin go for a guy with Tyndall and/or White's resume is dumb. You, on resume, have the same guy. Tyndall is most likely a slight upgrade, but you add the fact he has baggage and I don't understand why you let an average coach go who had won over 21 games a year for basically the same thing.

I disagree it was a given Martin would have a winning record in 2014-2015. Bottom line is Martin didnt like knoxville so it doesnt matter. He wanted out and I dont see why some cant understand that.
 
#89
#89
Ironically, it'll be Cuonzo's most ardent supporters who'll say things like "tourney next year" when Zo wasn't held to that standard at all.

They apparently can't see the difference in expecting year 3 with the players we had this year to be excellent from start to finish, with year 4 looking bright vs what we actually got.

Zo was held to that standard according to you negadiva's though! And I don't care what your abilities are at rating players. I zoned you for a know nothing pretty much from the jump. As far as I'm concerned, Tyndall is inheriting EXACTLY what Cuonzo did. Let's see what he does with them.
 
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I disagree it was a given Martin would have a winning record in 2014-2015. Bottom line is Martin didnt like knoxville so it doesnt matter. He wanted out and I dont see why some cant understand that.

Go on believing that brother, keep drinking the juice. I'm glad he got the hell out of here and put you in his rearview.
 
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My goodness, you're right!! This roster is in exactly the same shape it was at the beginning of last season.

Losing 2 All-SEC first teamers, Maymon and the starting PG makes no difference to the roster strength or outlook at all.

We probably should win 21 games and get to the sweet 16!!

LOL!! So losing Tobias Harris and Scotty Hopson had no effect at all on Cuonzo's first year, right? You negadiva's are making a bigger deal about losing McRae and Stokes than you apparently are willing to with Harris and Hopson. Just admit it...its ok to be wrong.
 
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#95
#95
Timetable? Might as well make it "infinity" as long as Butt Cheek and Fart are here because those two will never hire a high-caliber coach. Just keep Puggsly. It ain't no thang - we a foobaw skoo, right?
 
#96
#96
Many of us have been saying the same thing. This group with Martin is average. This group with Donnie Knoxville can cause some problems.

And you know this because you like to think of yourself as a in-the-know UT basketball fan? Average doesn't get to the S16. Hey Chuck Norris wannabe. Some of us will call you out and aren't afraid to do so.
 
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And you know this because you like to think of yourself as a in-the-know UT basketball fan? Average doesn't get to the S16. Hey Chuck Norris wannabe. Some of us will call you out and aren't afraid to do so.


and you are doing a fantastic job. Keep the zingers coming.
 
#99
#99
And you know this because you like to think of yourself as a in-the-know UT basketball fan? Average doesn't get to the S16. Hey Chuck Norris wannabe. Some of us will call you out and aren't afraid to do so.

someone is a tad sensitive Zo left....i for one am celebrating and looking forward to Donnie Basketball
 
I do not get the point of letting CCM go for a guy like CDT when the chance he is the guy is nowhere near guaranteed. Could Tyndall succeed? Absolutely. But I would rather have kept CCM instead of going through another change at this point. The reasoning is basically "It doesn't seem like Martin is the guy so I'm gonna say bye and hire a mid major coach who has a solid resume but is far from a proven coach."

It's just dumb

Bingo! You get it. There is no guarantee, it's a crap shoot. Be careful what you wish for. We had a 7'1 dude coming in had we kept Martin. Who knows what will happen to this 2014 class we have after this absolute fiasco. But I'm loving all the ....but...but....but....look what he's inheriting. Hello! Zo didn't inherit anything.
 
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