US drone strikes in Yemen

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lawgator1 said:
That has been the GOP gameplan since day 1. They care nothing about the country, only about themselves.
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both parties, the GOP and the one you shill for, are driving this country to ruin. You actively support this! You are either not smart enough to realize it or support their cause. Which is it?
 
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utvolpj said:
both parties, the GOP and the one you shill for, are driving this country to ruin. You actively support this! You are either not smart enough to realize it or support their cause. Which is it?
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Of course they both do it. I'm simply pointing it out in terms of the guy currently serving as the lighting rod for all that pent up GOP frustration at its own inevitable fate.
 
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lawgator1 said:
The criticism of this is the ultimate proof that the right's criticisms of Obama are completely insincere.

Cut a defense program? He's weak.

Decline to bomb Syria? He's weak.

Fail to find and kill the Benghazi attackers? He's weak.

Fail to saber rattle over Crimea? He's weak.

But authorize the attack that kills bin Laden and he just got lucky. Increase the drone program and kill 25 terrorists and he must be lying and cares nothing about civilian casualties.
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What I have a problem with is that one we are not in a declared state of war with Yemen and two the amount of civilians we kill versus the civilian causalities doesn't justify the program. With each civilian killed we are causing unnecessary blow back against us.
 
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Burhead said:
What I have a problem with is that one we are not in a declared state of war with Yemen and two the amount of civilians we kill versus the civilian causalities doesn't justify the program. With each civilian killed we are causing unnecessary blow back against us.
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What's the alternative when "terrorists" are camped in countries we don't occupy?
 
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Burhead said:
What I have a problem with is that one we are not in a declared state of war with Yemen and two the amount of civilians we kill versus the civilian causalities doesn't justify the program. With each civilian killed we are causing unnecessary blow back against us.
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Fair enough but weighed against the commitment and inevitable loss of many more soldiers, which would also lead to civilian casualties, it's certainly a reasonable choice.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Fair enough but weighed against the commitment and inevitable loss of many more soldiers, which would also lead to civilian casualties, it's certainly a reasonable choice.
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if we don't send soldiers there are no casualties. But what's the fun in having all these fun toys if we can't make them go boom right?

Velo Vol said:
What's the alternative when "terrorists" are camped in countries we don't occupy?
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are you saying we should occupy those countries?

so we kill one terrorist and 5 civilians in a strike. The result is then 5 new fighters take up arms against US allies/assets. How does that equation work out in the end?
 
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I can give credit where credit is due and Obama sure has done well with the drone strikes. I'm all for it. Ever been to Yemen? It's awful. If anything the hellfires craters will break up the monotonous landscape.
 
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utvolpj said:
if we don't send soldiers there are no casualties. But what's the fun in having all these fun toys if we can't make them go boom right?



are you saying we should occupy those countries?

so we kill one terrorist and 5 civilians in a strike. The result is then 5 new fighters take up arms against US allies/assets. How does that equation work out in the end?
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Keep killing :salute:
 
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FLVOL_79 said:
I can give credit where credit is due and Obama sure has done well with the drone strikes. I'm all for it. Ever been to Yemen? It's awful. If anything the hellfires craters will break up the monotonous landscape.
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Agreed. It's saved countless US lives. Some civilians were killed along the way, but so be it.
 
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Grand Vol said:
Yeah, because the military is the only wasteful portion of our government...
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I've never made that claim. However they waste their fair share

Vol8188 said:
Agreed. It's saved countless US lives. Some civilians were killed along the way, but so be it.
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the word "countless" is perfect since it's simply some hypothetical number used to justify killing innocents (by your own admission)
 
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utvolpj said:
I've never made that claim. However they waste their fair share



the word "countless" is perfect since it's simply some hypothetical number used to justify killing innocents (by your own admission)
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With any decision you have to weigh the pro's and con's. We killed countless civilians with a nuclear weapon in Japan, but we saved thousands of American lives.

The same decisions are being made here, and I trust our president and military leaders to make the right decision.
 
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Vol8188 said:
With any decision you have to weigh the pro's and con's. We killed countless civilians with a nuclear weapon in Japan, but we saved thousands of American lives.
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not really true. They were done before the US conducted its live tests
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The same decisions are being made here, and I trust our president and military leaders to make the right decision.
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:lolabove:
 
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utvolpj said:
I've never made that claim. However they waste their fair share



the word "countless" is perfect since it's simply some hypothetical number used to justify killing innocents (by your own admission)
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I'll tell you what. Let's go ahead and pull everyone back. All the troops, cancel all our treaty commitments, close all our overseas bases, cut the military to the minimum required for a national crisis, reduce many/most of the acquisition programs and just call it quits. Let's go with your non-interventionist/isolationist standpoint and see how long it takes before the world crumbles. And watch for how long before oil dries up from the Middle East because of a regional superpower takes control or strategic minerals from Africa are cut off or China makes a regional move against Japan, Taiwan, SE Asia and the Philippines and dominates that region and people like Putin are free to shape the world as they want to.

But as long as you're happy we aren't playing the world's policeman, things will just be hunky dory. But I can flat guarantee you no matter how many cuts to the military budgets are made, there will always be politicians around to earmark that money for some other wasteful programs, politicians will still be around to save the desert tortoise because of some environmental groups protests meaning no more domestic drilling and fracking, and this nation becomes a major target for extremist groups because we aren't overseas kicking in their teeth. And in turn, we continue the path towards a virtual police state where every Constitutional Right is shredded in the name of security. All because you're too squeamish to realize bad people are out there doing bad things and sometimes we have to stop them in their tracks in their own front yard.

Hope the unicorns are docile in this perfect US free world you create in your mind.
 
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Grand Vol said:
I'll tell you what. Let's go ahead and pull everyone back. All the troops, cancel all our treaty commitments, close all our overseas bases, cut the military to the minimum required for a national crisis, reduce many/most of the acquisition programs and just call it quits. Let's go with your non-interventionist/isolationist standpoint and see how long it takes before the world crumbles. And watch for how long before oil dries up from the Middle East because of a regional superpower takes control or strategic minerals from Africa are cut off or China makes a regional move against Japan, Taiwan, SE Asia and the Philippines and dominates that region and people like Putin are free to shape the world as they want to.

But as long as you're happy we aren't playing the world's policeman, things will just be hunky dory. But I can flat guarantee you no matter how many cuts to the military budgets are made, there will always be politicians around to earmark that money for some other wasteful programs, politicians will still be around to save the desert tortoise because of some environmental groups protests meaning no more domestic drilling and fracking, and this nation becomes a major target for extremist groups because we aren't overseas kicking in their teeth. And in turn, we continue the path towards a virtual police state where every Constitutional Right is shredded in the name of security. All because you're too squeamish to realize bad people are out there doing bad things and sometimes we have to stop them in their tracks in their own front yard.

Hope the unicorns are docile in this perfect US free world you create in your mind.
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:clapping: Thanks and that goes double for me too, pj.
 
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I love it! If we don't drop bombs on wedding guests in Yemen we will end up in a police state where the Constitution is invalid.

Grand Vol said:
I'll tell you what. Let's go ahead and pull everyone back. All the troops, cancel all our treaty commitments, close all our overseas bases, cut the military to the minimum required for a national crisis, reduce many/most of the acquisition programs and just call it quits. Let's go with your non-interventionist/isolationist standpoint and see how long it takes before the world crumbles.
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I said national defense and not a crisis. There is also a difference in non-interventionist and isolationist but it's constantly ignored. One allows for fighting when it's absolutely necessary but we need to seriously tighten the controls on when and where that is authorized.
 
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utvolpj said:
I love it! If we don't drop bombs on wedding guests in Yemen we will end up in a police state where the Constitution is invalid.
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If those wedding guests are blood hungry terrorist & want to kill innocent people to prove their stupid agenda of spreading HATE in all the world then hell yeah kill those Mofo's & their little dogs too. Remember, he who lives by the sword dies by the sword.
 
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Grand Vol said:
I'll tell you what. Let's go ahead and pull everyone back. All the troops, cancel all our treaty commitments, close all our overseas bases, cut the military to the minimum required for a national crisis, reduce many/most of the acquisition programs and just call it quits. Let's go with your non-interventionist/isolationist standpoint and see how long it takes before the world crumbles. And watch for how long before oil dries up from the Middle East because of a regional superpower takes control or strategic minerals from Africa are cut off or China makes a regional move against Japan, Taiwan, SE Asia and the Philippines and dominates that region and people like Putin are free to shape the world as they want to.

But as long as you're happy we aren't playing the world's policeman, things will just be hunky dory. But I can flat guarantee you no matter how many cuts to the military budgets are made, there will always be politicians around to earmark that money for some other wasteful programs, politicians will still be around to save the desert tortoise because of some environmental groups protests meaning no more domestic drilling and fracking, and this nation becomes a major target for extremist groups because we aren't overseas kicking in their teeth. And in turn, we continue the path towards a virtual police state where every Constitutional Right is shredded in the name of security. All because you're too squeamish to realize bad people are out there doing bad things and sometimes we have to stop them in their tracks in their own front yard.

Hope the unicorns are docile in this perfect US free world you create in your mind.
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I'd like to do that for about 5 years. Think of it like dieting/weight lifting. You have to give yourself a small break every once in a while to recharge. The US can just close up shop for 5 years and watch what happens. After that time we can open our doors and help who needs it but only during a certain time frame, then its back to minding our own business.
 
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