Unofficial Coaching Search Thread

[drewtigeralum]

And that's the devils advocate side to him being "a hot name". Was that run a complete fluke and they just caught a few teams who were struggling in the NCAAT?

Like most things it's probably not as good or as bad as it seems, he likely isn't at that elite level yet, but he's probably an up and coming coach who will be a consistent winner.

Just looking at his record at Dayton, after taking over from Brian Gregory:

Gregory last 3 years:

27-8 NCAA 2nd round
25-12 N.I.T. Champions
22-14 N.I.T. Fist Round

Miller's first 3 years

20-13 N.I.T. First Round
17-13 No tournament
26-11 Elite 8

No way to predict the future, but I'm not sure Miller, resume wise, is much different than what left. If U.T. is looking to upgrade, I'm not sure Miller is the way to go, especially if he has a high buy out.

In the tournament they beat:

O.S.U. - 208th in points 60-59 on a last second shot.

Syracuse - 253rd in points 3-8 entering 55-53 on a last second shot

Stanford - 122 in points allowed defense 82-72.

If Craft hits the a 10 footer to win is Miller even a candidate? It looks like Dayton outlasted 2 terrible offensive teams, and then outscored a terrible defensive team.

Again, just putting out the other side of the equation on Miller.

 

[govols120]

Miller's a very wait-and-see candidate for me. Tyndall/White have both proven they can win consistently, whereas Miller has much better resources than both and still hasn't won at a high rate outside of a three-game stretch. Two of those games were against teams that were terrible at scoring, which plays nicely into Dayton's meh defensive abilities.

 

[Ace]

Question about Archie Miller. How can a coach that has a team talented enough to beat Ohio St., Syracuse, and Stanford, lose in the regular season to teams like Southern Cal, Illinois St, Richmond, Rhode Island, St. Joes (twice), and barely sneak into the NCAA tournament (avoiding the play in game U.T. got because the game was in Dayton).

I mean, seems like he underachieved and then got hot in the NCAA tournament.

Kind of reminds us of a coach we know!!

 

[Tux]

Just looking at his record at Dayton, after taking over from Brian Gregory:

Gregory last 3 years:

27-8 NCAA 2nd round
25-12 N.I.T. Champions
22-14 N.I.T. Fist Round

Miller's first 3 years

20-13 N.I.T. First Round
17-13 No tournament
26-11 Elite 8

No way to predict the future, but I'm not sure Miller, resume wise, is much different than what left. If U.T. is looking to upgrade, I'm not sure Miller is the way to go, especially if he has a high buy out.

In the tournament they beat:

O.S.U. - 208th in points 60-59 on a last second shot.

Syracuse - 253rd in points 3-8 entering 55-53 on a last second shot

Stanford - 122 in points allowed defense 82-72.

If Craft hits the a 10 footer to win is Miller even a candidate? It looks like Dayton outlasted 2 terrible offensive teams, and then outscored a terrible defensive team.

Again, just putting out the other side of the equation on Miller.

Miller would be a rehash of the Cuonzo Martin era.

 

[drewtigeralum]

Miller would be a rehash of the Cuonzo Martin era.

I think Miller would be fine if the fan base would have patience with him. I think it's going to be tough for any up and coming, younger coach to work the kinks out while at U.T. unless lessons are learned and patience is gained.

 

[govols120]

I'm going to be honest: Archie Miller is a slightly younger Zo with a hot wife. I'm good.

Miller's resume:

vs. his predecessor Brian Gregory, who is flailing at Georgia Tech.

 

[Tux]

I think Miller would be fine if the fan base would have patience with him. I think it's going to be tough for any up and coming, younger coach to work the kinks out while at U.T. unless lessons are learned and patience is gained.

The same could have been said about Cuonzo Martin.

 

[JacketVol]

My choice in order would be Cronin, White, then Tyndall. Obviously, I would like to hit others but just taking the names that actually seem in play.

Not a Pitino Jr or Arch Miller fan. Kill me but do not want to pay to get Marshall.

Wish facilities mattered enough that we would spend 4 million and poach Billy D but that is a dream that will never happen. Hate Florida but he is a darn good coach.

The guy who could potentially do the most here would be White. If we don't make a really big name hired, which we probably will not, then I want us to get White. Got to have a guy who can get the Jimmies and Joes, and I think he can.

 

[bleedingTNorange]

Obviously the money is a factor with Miller too, I'm guessing he is gonna command more money than White or Tyndall would. Out of the 5 it seemingly is down to, I would place them in order based on resume and assumed investment it would take to land each...

Chris Mack
Michael White
Donnie Tyndall
Archie Miller
Richard Pitino

 

[govols120]

Here are White, Tyndall, and Mack's resumes.

White:

Tyndall:

Mack:

 

[Ace]

Obviously the money is a factor with Miller too, I'm guessing he is gonna command more money than White or Tyndall would. Out of the 5 it seemingly is down to, I would place them in order based on resume and assumed investment it would take to land each...

Chris Mack
Michael White
Donnie Tyndall
Archie Miller
Richard Pitino

BTO, In a earlier post your mentioned Mack bringing London. I checked on the Xavier Rivals page, none of their recruits have signed LOI. I am wondering if that might be a plus for Mack's chances at becoming the next coach at UT.

He has an excellent class coming in. Although some where upset when Kingsley O. switched to Cal. This part of the recruiting scene, players commit to coaches.

 

[Gramps]

Obviously the money is a factor with Miller too, I'm guessing he is gonna command more money than White or Tyndall would. Out of the 5 it seemingly is down to, I would place them in order based on resume and assumed investment it would take to land each...

Chris Mack
Michael White
Donnie Tyndall
Archie Miller
Richard Pitino

I dont think Miller warrants more money than White.
I would think pay should be. He did have a good run in the tourney....so did Zo.

Mack 1.5
White , Miller 1.25
Tyndall 1.0
Pitino..I am unsure about. I do think he would demand too much probably 1.75-2

 

[Ace]

btw, I do not have a link, but I read that Cal is already having trouble getting Kingsley O. Into school. Seems some of his prep school classes do not meet up to standards for admission to Cal.

 

[drewtigeralum]

BTO, In a earlier post your mentioned Mack bringing London. I checked on the Xavier Rivals page, none of their recruits have signed LOI. I am wondering if that might be a plus for Mack's chances at becoming the next coach at UT.

He has an excellent class coming in. Although some where upset when Kingsley O. switched to Cal. This part of the recruiting scene, players commit to coaches.

Rivals hasn't updated their site. They all signed in the early signing period. At least I know guys like Macura, and Blueitt signed.

 

[Ace]

Rivals hasn't updated their site. They all signed in the early signing period. At least I know guys like Macura, and Blueitt signed.

Thx for info

 

[drewtigeralum]

The same could have been said about Cuonzo Martin.

Cal thanks U.T. for providing Martin with some quality O.T.J. training on U.T.'s dime. Cal gets a better Cuonzo Martin than U.T. got for the same amount of money. Seems like a good deal for them. If U.T. goes with an up and coming coach, a five year commitment is going to be needed for any sort of stability, but will it be afforded, is the question.

 

[Tux]

Cal thanks U.T. for providing Martin with some quality O.T.J. training on U.T.'s dime. Cal gets a better Cuonzo Martin than U.T. got for the same amount of money. Seems like a good deal for them. If U.T. goes with an up and coming coach, a five year commitment is going to be needed for any sort of stability, but will it be afforded, is the question.

You really believe that UT fans would do that?

I sure don't.

 

[lyansaine]

Pitino has a very very high likelihood of being a far better coach than Doolander, but having a winning record in football is much tougher than basketball. Especially at small schools where a full 1/3rd of your games are going to be against schools that pound you. Football has much less parity than basketball.

The pile of dirt in my back yard has a very high likelihood of being a better coach than Dooley. Pitino may be a very good coach, but a couple of good-not-great seasons aren't enough to prove he's worth the investment. He's overhyped because of his last name.

 

[Ace]

Rivals hasn't updated their site. They all signed in the early signing period. At least I know guys like Macura, and Blueitt signed.

Went to Xavier site and they all have signed. I wish rivals was up to date. They signed in November. With such a great class, it would be hard to pull Mack from X.

 

[bleedingTNorange]

BTO, In a earlier post your mentioned Mack bringing London. I checked on the Xavier Rivals page, none of their recruits have signed LOI. I am wondering if that might be a plus for Mack's chances at becoming the next coach at UT.

He has an excellent class coming in. Although some where upset when Kingsley O. switched to Cal. This part of the recruiting scene, players commit to coaches.

Would be funny wouldn't it, everyone was criticizing Martin for taking Okoroh with him, but if we landed Mack you can bet there's be posters wanting him to bring a couple guys too.

 

[bleedingTNorange]

I dont think Miller warrants more money than White.
I would think pay should be. He did have a good run in the tourney....so did Zo.

Mack 1.5
White , Miller 1.25
Tyndall 1.0
Pitino..I am unsure about. I do think he would demand too much probably 1.75-2

Miller is gonna want more than 1.25, that's my point. Not saying he necessarily deserves it, but his agent is gonna demand more than that. He's one more good run away from getting a major job at $2+m/yr.

Tyndall would likely get more than white, and should.

 

[bleedingTNorange]

btw, I do not have a link, but I read that Cal is already having trouble getting Kingsley O. Into school. Seems some of his prep school classes do not meet up to standards for admission to Cal.

If you read it how do you not have a link?

 

[VOLINVONORE]

You really believe that UT fans would do that?

I sure don't.

Someday Tennessee fans will realize that it is not their decision to make. Who gives a rat's ***what they?we think. Fans don't develop the contract, determine the compensation, or sign the contract. Time for the Administration to get back to the decision making and get some stability back into all Tennessee athletic programs.

 

[VolArmy74]

Archie Miller had a run to the elite 8 at age 35. Suggesting that is on par resume wise with what we just had, is laughable, if you are talking about resume when hired.

Trying to de-value wins of a double digit seed vs Ohio State and Syracuse is also pretty funny.

One of the things I like about Miller is his wide variety of assistant coaching. He's coached under several guys. Each of them seem to have different strong points.

If I were ranking the realistic candidates we've heard about so far I'd personally go with:

Cronin - won big at Murray State, has done the same at Cincy. Had to replace virtually the entire roster in year one. Been to 4 straight NCAAs, 6 total. Worked under the Huggy Bear who was an excellent coach and recruiter, just Billy G before Billy G. Good recruiter with a decent number of 4/5 star players over the years.

Smith - HOF coach that wins everywhere. Would be my #1 by far if he were 52 instead of 62.

Howland - Has an impeccable resume, except for whatever the heck it is that causes no one to want to hire him. The spiraling out of control of his program seems to hurt.

Mack - 4 tourneys in 5 years, 2 sweet 16s, did it initially with Sean Miller's guys, but he did it. Has signed 10 4* and a 5* in the 2010-2014 classes. My biggest concern, honestly, is that he hasn't done better with those recruits by this season.

Tyndall - I've had several posts about Tyndall. Long time coach in the SE. 3 stops with big winning percentages everywhere. 22.2 wins per season in 9 years. Has completely built his own program into an NCAA team. Got a guy from no where to the NBA.

Miller - As mentioned above, very young, lots of different experiences with lots of different coaches. Elite 8 run was very impressive. Can he become his brother or is he a flash in the pan? It'd be nice to have a Harbaugh brothers situation with us and Arizona someday.

White - Love his recruiting. He seems to make programs much better once he arrives. Kinda scared that he's not shown it longer and that he has no NCAA tourney experience. Also not sure how much he learned as a Rod Barnes/Andy Kennedy disciple but appears to have a good knowledge of the game. I suspect he stayed as an assistant for both staffs due to his great recruiting ability

Pitino Jr - Hi, my dad is one of the greatest coaches of all time. I may be very good too, or maybe not. Who knows, but my dad is fantastic and his coaching tree is very good. Can I be Billy Donovan? Are you willing to risk it already??

 

[bleedingTNorange]

Cal thanks U.T. for providing Martin with some quality O.T.J. training on U.T.'s dime. Cal gets a better Cuonzo Martin than U.T. got for the same amount of money. Seems like a good deal for them. If U.T. goes with an up and coming coach, a five year commitment is going to be needed for any sort of stability, but will it be afforded, is the question.

Yup.

Was listening to the Martin/Hyams interview this am, it was recorded on a different date but just listened to it this AM.

Hyams asked what he learned and was taking with him...first two things out of his mouth are what he's been criticized a lot for. 1. He said he's not gonna fill his class at Cal with players just to fill a roster. Said they'll evaluate and only take guys that fit, if that means leaving a scholarship or two open oh well. In other words, no Washpun's or Miller's that he was criticized for taking. 2. The second thing was willingness to play zone and adapt. Said when he came to UT he hadn't played a minute of zone and didn't plan on that changing. Said going zone this year won them games, and he realizes it's something he needs to continue.

Martin was learning on the job here, and that's fine if some have an issue with whether or not this is the place to do that, but reality is it's looking like the next hire is gonna be the very same.