UT and other SEC Schools and Fans Racists?

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patrick said:
How much did those guys "Waiting their time" contribute this year? You must have watched different games than I did.

Fact is CCM's recruiting has been lack luster and his recruiting classes have NEVER cracked the top 30.

But you most telling comment has been that you were a CCM fan. Well I'm a UT fan and have been as long as I can remember (38+ years).

CCM's departure is best for him and best for the UT bball program.
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I think you should watch how next season turns out before saying the players aren't any good. That seems reasonable, does it not? Players do tend to get better. I personally think Thompson can become a great point guard. He had the best vision on the team last year, but like most freshman, was inconsistent, and had some bad habits that need to be broken.
 
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k-town_king said:
He went on a big run of wins at the end of both of the previous years.
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3 bad losses in the last 10 games last year hurt badly, including a 48 pt standing around and energyless egg against bama in the sec tourney.

Problem is the team was 11-10 prior to the run last year. If he doesn't wait so long to do some things last year and fixes them early, winning 7 of the last 10 gets him in. Instead, he cut it too close and didn't make it. Almost happened again this year.
 
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Tux said:
Pat Forde has been busy fighting a campaign to impugn the reputation and name of the University of Tennessee for Cuonzo Martin leaving Tennessee. Now Frank Haith leaves Missouri for a lesser job and now Forde decided to paint with broader brush and implies that the SEC schools and their fans are racists.


Is Forde accurate?

Or is Forde just another media member with an agenda to push?


http://sports.yahoo.com/news/frank-haith-merely-the-latest-african-american-coach-to-leave-sec-for-lesser-job-060826346.html?soc_src=mediacontentsharebuttons
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I lived in Louisville, Ky for many years. Pat Forde was a sports writer for the Courier-Journal (Louisville's paper). I will tell you this--Pat Forde HATES the SEC, always has and I suggest when you see is name IGNORE it!!
 
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#181
You want racist fans? Check out some of the things fans in Europe have been doing to black soccer players. SEC is nowhere near that bad.
 
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jeffmcflurry27 said:
Not trying to be a D!ck, but the Big 10 does have higher academic standards.
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Yeah, but it is closer than you might think. Michigan and Wisconsin (along with Northwestern) swing things the Big Ten's way. However, with the addition of A&M and Missouri, the SEC has closed the gap. Don't think we have to hang our heads. My eyes started to open a decade or so ago when the hot shot OSU LB (bust in the pros) was being closely watched to see if he would remain eligible. He had to pass, basket weaving and music appreciation.
 
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patrick said:
Very Successful????? Seriously???

If you truly think this then CBP was and is one of the best coaches in the NCAA.
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Yes - CCM was very successful. It is also true CBP was and is one of the best coaches in the NCAA but CCM had a better W-L record at UT during his 3 years than CBP had during his last 3. Not saying this means that CCM is a better coach than CBP but CCM was certainly better than anyone we are supposedly considering to hire now (Marshall is a great coach but he is not coming - everyone else on that list of supposed candidates will be a downgrade to CCM).
 
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Tux said:
Pat Forde has been busy fighting a campaign to impugn the reputation and name of the University of Tennessee for Cuonzo Martin leaving Tennessee. Now Frank Haith leaves Missouri for a lesser job and now Forde decided to paint with broader brush and implies that the SEC schools and their fans are racists.


Is Forde accurate?

Or is Forde just another media member with an agenda to push?


http://sports.yahoo.com/news/frank-haith-merely-the-latest-african-american-coach-to-leave-sec-for-lesser-job-060826346.html?soc_src=mediacontentsharebuttons
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Forde is more interested in acclaim than he is race relations!
 
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#186
Before Forde starts throwing racial slurs at fan bases he needs to consider that CCM left while the getting was good. Martin knew that his recruiting put him in a horrible position next year and he was looking at the potential to be fired then.

But is always easier for people with baseless arguments to just pull the race card. With his superficial intellegence I can't believe that someone actually pays him to write articles.
 
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Tux said:
Pat Forde has been busy fighting a campaign to impugn the reputation and name of the University of Tennessee for Cuonzo Martin leaving Tennessee. Now Frank Haith leaves Missouri for a lesser job and now Forde decided to paint with broader brush and implies that the SEC schools and their fans are racists.


Is Forde accurate?

Or is Forde just another media member with an agenda to push?


http://sports.yahoo.com/news/frank-haith-merely-the-latest-african-american-coach-to-leave-sec-for-lesser-job-060826346.html?soc_src=mediacontentsharebuttons
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I am sure there are some racists in Tennessee, as there are racists everywhere (even in the North, believe it or not). I can't speak for the other coaches, but I think the main issue at Tennessee was that Martin followed a very popular and successful Pearl, and when he did not immediately pick up with another NCAA appearance his first year, that just caused the fans to quickly become disenchanted. I think he is a good coach, don't know if he is NCAA championship caliber, and we won't find out at Tennessee.
 
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darkgable said:
Forde seems to be the only one with the balls to say it. It's about time.
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How exactly does it "take balls" to say these type of accusations in this day and age?

I argue the opposite, it's a spineless move to throw these out without delving into the specifics of each situation. That takes no "balls" at all.
 
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k-town_king said:
The fans didn't hire these Black coaches y'all are using to prove the SEC isn't racist. There are plenty of racist fans.

Don't want to ruffle feathers, but there are always two sides.

Calling Martin things like "Kwanzo". That is not his name. Maybe it is meant to be rude, but it could just as well be that that spelling is the way it "sounds" in American English. I just thought it was phonetic spelling. You should see what some people do to my name; never was insulted, just figured they couldn't spell.

Saying he mumbles and you can't understand him. He is hard to understand; I always thought it was due to his deep, soft voice. But, whatever, I've never heard mumbling equated to racism, thought it was just mumbling.

Saying he is a bad representative off court when he did better than Pearl off court. OK, got me there; I've never heard it said he was a bad representative off, or on, the court. He's no "showman/salesman" like Pearl, but who is and why should he be? I always heard he was a good man...course after he left there were some feathers ruffled, but so what, nothing compared to Kiffen!

When Strong was gonna be hired talked about how he sounds . Said he should only be a coordinator here. Only thing I heard was he was a good coach and a lot of people wanted him...as head coach.

Calling Shaka Smart Shaka Zulu. Are you joking? That's a compliment. I knew about Shaka Zulu even before they put it on TV.
"Shaka kaSenzangakhona, also known as Shaka Zulu, was one of the most influential monarchs of the Zulu Kingdom. Wikipedia"
I might inadvertently refer to someone named "Shaka Last Name" as Shaka Zulu simply from association of names, or as a compliment. Would never think it was racist.

All of these have racial implications. I just don't see it. There's racists everywhere and they come from all races, but I don't feel that is applicable with UT and Martin. I was all for giving Martin a fourth year, only seemed fair, and I was glad when he said he was staying. But I was concerned about the apparent lack of development of numerous players, so I'm not crying he's gone, and I certainly wish him well and success in the future.
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Think most fans don't care...race, religion, whatever; they want to win. Think most do want someone ethical and who treats the players fairly. Other than Bruce (ethics) I believe all our coaches have been/done that. And let's get a good coach (however, I will consider signing a petition to remove Hart...wish I could have signed one to remove Hamilton!). So Go Vols!
 
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#191
I claim it's racist that not every team has a player of Asian descent. Where's all the Asian's at? Stand up and be heard!
 
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#192
Why is there a not race card issue when a white coach is fired? No one complains when a black coach is hired instead of a white, yellow or red coach. It is about time the race baiters go away and find another way to get attention.
I personally don't care what skin color any of our coaches have as long as their blood is orange.

Recruit and hire the best coach!!!!!
 
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Chilmonty said:
Wondered when someone would play the race card!

Obvious questions that Forde will not answer
2. What "Racist School" would hire a black coach in the first place

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To replace a Jewish coach? :yes:
 
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volatil said:
This is beyond ridiculous. If the SEC were racist, no black coach would be hired. I for one want a black coach (Smart) to replace Martin.
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That just means the school administrators were not racists, but doesn't mean that many of the fan are not racists. I am guessing a solid percentage of the 30k petitioners were racists.
 
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VegasBaby! said:
That just means the school administrators were not racists, but doesn't mean that many of the fan are not racists. I am guessing a solid percentage of the 30k petitioners were racists.
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Based on what?
 
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VegasBaby! said:
That just means the school administrators were not racists, but doesn't mean that many of the fan are not racists. I am guessing a solid percentage of the 30k petitioners were racists.
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Cuz you got lots of scientificky data to support that hypothesis? Stephen Hawkins of Racism? :geek:
 
#197
#197
I think that 90% of the fans don't care what color he is but 10% do. I also believe that a few boosters are racist. That is the bigger issue IMO
 
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#198
Ok, it's time for me to fess up. I am a racist. I was born a racist and will always be a racist. I don't care what other people think. If your not with me your against me. When it comes down to it it's very simple to me. If your not Orange, you ain't shi*.

Later, Rednecks.

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Abe Hoffman said:
If we hire a Blue coach, I'm going to be very concerned.
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Meet our new coaching staff.

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GOATeric14berry said:
I think that 90% of the fans don't care what color he is but 10% do. I also believe that a few boosters are racist. That is the bigger issue IMO
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If we have Rick Byrd, an all white staff, and all white players, I believe race would be brought up often. Yet with Martin, it's ignored. Are you guys sure you want to go the race route?

People's problems with Martin have to do with what they saw on the court. Lunatic fringe dude with the rebel flag on his truck, who cares. But if people want to start this racist junk, I'll be happy to discuss it, specifically when people are calling others racists and have no idea wtf they are talking about.
 
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